1 00:00:03,590 --> 00:00:01,969 hey everybody hope you're having a great 2 00:00:05,749 --> 00:00:03,600 day around the globe wherever you're 3 00:00:07,909 --> 00:00:05,759 listening to our show uh today is sort 4 00:00:09,830 --> 00:00:07,919 of Hollywood uh 5 00:00:11,509 --> 00:00:09,840 Hollywood meets Canada really we've got 6 00:00:14,150 --> 00:00:11,519 an actor comedian gentleman who's been 7 00:00:15,829 --> 00:00:14,160 on TV and movies uh who's also a UFO guy 8 00:00:17,870 --> 00:00:15,839 and uh from what I've read about him 9 00:00:20,090 --> 00:00:17,880 he's kind of gone up and down in his 10 00:00:22,070 --> 00:00:20,100 belief and skepticism so I think we all 11 00:00:24,349 --> 00:00:22,080 do a little bit I think that's healthy 12 00:00:26,630 --> 00:00:24,359 and I want to get him to elaborate so 13 00:00:28,730 --> 00:00:26,640 this is actually uh Jason's booking 14 00:00:30,170 --> 00:00:28,740 today this is Mr Dave Foley I know Jason 15 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:30,180 you've been a fan of this guy for years 16 00:00:35,690 --> 00:00:32,399 and years huge fan of Dave Foley since 17 00:00:37,310 --> 00:00:35,700 uh Kids in the Hall news radio he did 18 00:00:39,110 --> 00:00:37,320 the voice and ants 19 00:00:41,270 --> 00:00:39,120 um he's just a fantastic Guy funny 20 00:00:42,650 --> 00:00:41,280 comedian but uh you know I fell in love 21 00:00:44,630 --> 00:00:42,660 with the guy when I found out he was 22 00:00:46,850 --> 00:00:44,640 into UFOs as much as we are and I'm like 23 00:00:48,709 --> 00:00:46,860 this guy's cool we gotta have him on 24 00:00:50,150 --> 00:00:48,719 right yeah and I mean he's just one of 25 00:00:52,490 --> 00:00:50,160 many people in Hollywood that are either 26 00:00:54,229 --> 00:00:52,500 Believers in this subject or think it's 27 00:00:55,189 --> 00:00:54,239 plausible and it's not just a Sci-Fi 28 00:00:56,750 --> 00:00:55,199 World 29 00:00:58,490 --> 00:00:56,760 um you know there's directors producers 30 00:01:00,709 --> 00:00:58,500 big name people that all think it's 31 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:00,719 there and people have seen things and I 32 00:01:03,830 --> 00:01:02,280 mean you look at the Tic Tac video that 33 00:01:07,190 --> 00:01:03,840 was just off Catalina Island so 34 00:01:09,530 --> 00:01:07,200 California area in general is a hot spot 35 00:01:11,149 --> 00:01:09,540 and you know that whole that whole area 36 00:01:13,250 --> 00:01:11,159 of the U.S New Mexico and Arizona 37 00:01:14,929 --> 00:01:13,260 there's lots of stuff going on and you 38 00:01:16,730 --> 00:01:14,939 know be interesting to pick his brain of 39 00:01:18,710 --> 00:01:16,740 kind of what's Hollywood's take on it 40 00:01:20,870 --> 00:01:18,720 and as well as media and things like 41 00:01:22,490 --> 00:01:20,880 that so we'll hit as many topics as we 42 00:01:24,830 --> 00:01:22,500 can we'll chew the fat with our new 43 00:01:26,510 --> 00:01:24,840 friend Dave Foley and uh with that we'll 44 00:01:28,670 --> 00:01:26,520 run our credits and we'll be right back 45 00:01:34,630 --> 00:01:28,680 right here on UAP studies podcast let's 46 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:45,969 [Music] 47 00:01:54,109 --> 00:01:48,490 thank you 48 00:01:57,950 --> 00:01:56,030 welcome back to another episode of UAP 49 00:01:59,630 --> 00:01:57,960 studies podcast my name is Louis Borges 50 00:02:01,609 --> 00:01:59,640 joining me as always my best buddy Jason 51 00:02:03,050 --> 00:02:01,619 Gilman you know I love that you saved my 52 00:02:05,090 --> 00:02:03,060 best buddy almost on every single 53 00:02:06,350 --> 00:02:05,100 episode that just it's true you know 54 00:02:07,730 --> 00:02:06,360 what I mean yeah I know but it feels 55 00:02:09,350 --> 00:02:07,740 good you know it's just like that we 56 00:02:11,449 --> 00:02:09,360 started doing this show for fun as 57 00:02:13,130 --> 00:02:11,459 friends and it comes through in all of 58 00:02:14,809 --> 00:02:13,140 our interviews right we genuinely like 59 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:14,819 our guests too we don't invite people on 60 00:02:19,729 --> 00:02:17,160 that we don't like or think are hurting 61 00:02:21,890 --> 00:02:19,739 the the field and today is a proud 62 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:21,900 Canadian meets Hollywood you know I mean 63 00:02:26,270 --> 00:02:23,520 Dave Foley is a Canadian actor and 64 00:02:28,070 --> 00:02:26,280 comedian he also produces directs rights 65 00:02:30,050 --> 00:02:28,080 uh he was the co-founder of the comedy 66 00:02:33,110 --> 00:02:30,060 group Kids in the Hall which turn into a 67 00:02:35,210 --> 00:02:33,120 subsequent Tv show uh he's also voiced 68 00:02:37,130 --> 00:02:35,220 some pretty cool animated characters and 69 00:02:40,670 --> 00:02:37,140 big Hollywood films Like A Bug's Life 70 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:40,680 and Monsters University appearances on 71 00:02:44,869 --> 00:02:42,840 It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and 72 00:02:47,690 --> 00:02:44,879 Hot in Cleveland I could go on and on 73 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:47,700 the fun fact I found about Dave is uh 74 00:02:51,650 --> 00:02:49,200 and correct me if I'm wrong Dave but 75 00:02:53,869 --> 00:02:51,660 when you're on set you can drink upwards 76 00:02:56,570 --> 00:02:53,879 of what 50 cups of coffee a day is it 77 00:02:58,550 --> 00:02:56,580 true uh that that used to be true I 78 00:03:02,330 --> 00:02:58,560 don't not anymore but I yeah I'm 79 00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:02,340 definitely a news radio or uh uh our 80 00:03:07,550 --> 00:03:05,340 props Master uh she clocked me at 50 81 00:03:09,350 --> 00:03:07,560 cups wow are we talking about little 82 00:03:12,949 --> 00:03:09,360 cops or are we talking like I'm talking 83 00:03:15,410 --> 00:03:12,959 like like 10 basically we're going uh 10 84 00:03:17,690 --> 00:03:15,420 cup uh carafes of coffee and I'd go 85 00:03:20,330 --> 00:03:17,700 through five you know five of them wow 86 00:03:24,110 --> 00:03:20,340 you must have to pee the whole time 87 00:03:25,390 --> 00:03:24,120 oh and those days no the boy in the 88 00:03:27,949 --> 00:03:25,400 bladder was still working 89 00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:27,959 but it was uh superhuman back in those 90 00:03:31,250 --> 00:03:30,000 days awesome well we're very glad to 91 00:03:33,410 --> 00:03:31,260 have you we want to have some fun today 92 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:33,420 and pick your brain on all things UFO 93 00:03:37,070 --> 00:03:35,280 related I know you're an Enthusiast and 94 00:03:38,869 --> 00:03:37,080 you've done other Big Show appearances 95 00:03:40,670 --> 00:03:38,879 uh you know like Joe Rogan podcast and 96 00:03:43,309 --> 00:03:40,680 everything else so we appreciate your 97 00:03:44,449 --> 00:03:43,319 time uh but for those of us if there's a 98 00:03:45,530 --> 00:03:44,459 few people out there who aren't familiar 99 00:03:47,690 --> 00:03:45,540 with you maybe tell us a little bit 100 00:03:50,869 --> 00:03:47,700 about yourself and what got you into the 101 00:03:52,070 --> 00:03:50,879 whole field of uh UFO interest 102 00:03:54,289 --> 00:03:52,080 um well I guess well you covered almost 103 00:03:56,750 --> 00:03:54,299 everything they've done so uh oh you've 104 00:04:00,170 --> 00:03:56,760 done a lot more than that yeah so I'm a 105 00:04:04,610 --> 00:04:00,180 comedian uh which qualifies me in no way 106 00:04:08,449 --> 00:04:04,620 at all uh this does UFOs but but yeah I 107 00:04:10,070 --> 00:04:08,459 guess a lifelong interest in them uh but 108 00:04:13,429 --> 00:04:10,080 it's an interest that's gone up and down 109 00:04:17,210 --> 00:04:13,439 uh in intensity over the years 110 00:04:19,189 --> 00:04:17,220 um I definitely I was went up around the 111 00:04:20,810 --> 00:04:19,199 time of the Phoenix Lights that kind of 112 00:04:23,810 --> 00:04:20,820 caught my eye and I've started made me 113 00:04:26,810 --> 00:04:23,820 think well this that seems pretty uh 114 00:04:29,770 --> 00:04:26,820 unexplained and the ex and the 115 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:29,780 explanation seems pretty ridiculous yeah 116 00:04:34,370 --> 00:04:32,460 so and and that's that got me going I 117 00:04:37,550 --> 00:04:34,380 remember reading the cometa report in 118 00:04:40,189 --> 00:04:37,560 the early 2000s from from Paris that 119 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:40,199 basically the French study that came out 120 00:04:46,070 --> 00:04:43,680 and said well UFOs are real and you know 121 00:04:48,350 --> 00:04:46,080 said that an extraterrestrial hypothesis 122 00:04:50,150 --> 00:04:48,360 was most likely explanation and I 123 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:50,160 thought that got my attention 124 00:04:53,270 --> 00:04:51,600 and then it sort of faded for a while 125 00:04:55,550 --> 00:04:53,280 and so that's that and then I saw James 126 00:04:56,689 --> 00:04:55,560 Fox's movie out of the blue about 10 127 00:04:58,310 --> 00:04:56,699 years ago 128 00:05:00,650 --> 00:04:58,320 and that was the first time I really 129 00:05:02,390 --> 00:05:00,660 that that really took me sort of led me 130 00:05:05,270 --> 00:05:02,400 by the hand through the real history of 131 00:05:06,409 --> 00:05:05,280 the UFO uh phenomenon and the story and 132 00:05:10,430 --> 00:05:06,419 uh 133 00:05:12,530 --> 00:05:10,440 of 134 00:05:14,930 --> 00:05:12,540 these really incredible well not 135 00:05:17,450 --> 00:05:14,940 incredible credible people uh credible 136 00:05:19,550 --> 00:05:17,460 military and government officials from 137 00:05:20,629 --> 00:05:19,560 all over the world and you know so it 138 00:05:23,210 --> 00:05:20,639 was uh 139 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:23,220 that again that got me really taking it 140 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:26,520 quite seriously after that and that's 141 00:05:32,210 --> 00:05:29,580 been ongoing for about the last 10 years 142 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:32,220 right and then of course 2017 something 143 00:05:37,850 --> 00:05:35,340 happened yeah it was huge yeah that New 144 00:05:39,590 --> 00:05:37,860 York Times article uh 145 00:05:41,450 --> 00:05:39,600 which I thought would I really thought 146 00:05:45,050 --> 00:05:41,460 would have would change would change 147 00:05:47,749 --> 00:05:45,060 everything more than it has uh but it's 148 00:05:50,210 --> 00:05:47,759 been remarkable how 149 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:50,220 how the conditioning like helped 70 150 00:05:54,950 --> 00:05:52,500 years maybe in a 70 60 years of 151 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:54,960 conditioning to not think about UFOs 152 00:05:59,749 --> 00:05:57,840 has is is so effective that even now 153 00:06:01,850 --> 00:05:59,759 after even after the Pentagon comes out 154 00:06:03,950 --> 00:06:01,860 and says they're real no one seems to 155 00:06:07,010 --> 00:06:03,960 care in the in the main main in the 156 00:06:09,050 --> 00:06:07,020 mainstream of the public I guess right 157 00:06:10,550 --> 00:06:09,060 which is weird what do you attribute 158 00:06:12,890 --> 00:06:10,560 that to like I heard you say in other 159 00:06:14,450 --> 00:06:12,900 shows that some people they're just um 160 00:06:16,610 --> 00:06:14,460 the average person has this total 161 00:06:18,230 --> 00:06:16,620 reluctance uh to even consider the 162 00:06:19,730 --> 00:06:18,240 phenomenon and you I think it was on Joe 163 00:06:21,230 --> 00:06:19,740 Rogan you said that you have friends who 164 00:06:23,809 --> 00:06:21,240 read the New York Times cover to cover 165 00:06:26,270 --> 00:06:23,819 if you ask them about something else on 166 00:06:29,210 --> 00:06:26,280 that day that that 2017 article came out 167 00:06:30,950 --> 00:06:29,220 they read that article but somehow they 168 00:06:33,290 --> 00:06:30,960 didn't see the front page cover they 169 00:06:34,370 --> 00:06:33,300 didn't even know now it actually made a 170 00:06:35,689 --> 00:06:34,380 good point we were chatting before the 171 00:06:37,129 --> 00:06:35,699 show and he goes well maybe it's like a 172 00:06:39,290 --> 00:06:37,139 religious thing if you're not religious 173 00:06:41,210 --> 00:06:39,300 front page news is something to do with 174 00:06:42,950 --> 00:06:41,220 religion you're just gonna skim by and 175 00:06:44,689 --> 00:06:42,960 you may never but why do you think 176 00:06:47,629 --> 00:06:44,699 specifically with something like UFOs 177 00:06:49,370 --> 00:06:47,639 that's so out there what is it with the 178 00:06:51,230 --> 00:06:49,380 maybe even like they're not 179 00:06:53,090 --> 00:06:51,240 intentionally doing this but some people 180 00:06:55,969 --> 00:06:53,100 just gloss right over as soon as you 181 00:06:57,290 --> 00:06:55,979 bring it I think they is I what I find 182 00:06:58,850 --> 00:06:57,300 is people don't it's not even like they 183 00:07:00,890 --> 00:06:58,860 just they that they don't read it or 184 00:07:02,210 --> 00:07:00,900 they ignore it it doesn't register in 185 00:07:04,309 --> 00:07:02,220 their Consciousness that it was in front 186 00:07:07,850 --> 00:07:04,319 of them yeah that 187 00:07:09,830 --> 00:07:07,860 the just those like the letters UFO will 188 00:07:12,409 --> 00:07:09,840 cause that some part of their brain to 189 00:07:17,090 --> 00:07:12,419 shut down so they don't even consciously 190 00:07:19,969 --> 00:07:17,100 uh uh absorb the information at all and 191 00:07:23,749 --> 00:07:19,979 and I think it's it's I think it is a 192 00:07:26,990 --> 00:07:23,759 direct result of a very deliberate 193 00:07:29,870 --> 00:07:27,000 uh program that was started in the in 194 00:07:32,450 --> 00:07:29,880 the you know in the 50s to debunk and 195 00:07:35,390 --> 00:07:32,460 ridicule and uh you know and put forward 196 00:07:37,189 --> 00:07:35,400 just any any explanation we'll do uh 197 00:07:40,249 --> 00:07:37,199 answers to what UFOs are 198 00:07:42,589 --> 00:07:40,259 and to create uh a public atmosphere 199 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:42,599 where anyone who does talk about UFOs is 200 00:07:46,189 --> 00:07:44,400 crazy 201 00:07:48,230 --> 00:07:46,199 um and will be ridiculed and to the 202 00:07:51,409 --> 00:07:48,240 extent that not only that it can ruin 203 00:07:54,350 --> 00:07:51,419 your life yeah and I think that that 204 00:07:56,150 --> 00:07:54,360 attitude and and I think particularly 205 00:07:57,350 --> 00:07:56,160 amongst people like myself left left 206 00:08:00,290 --> 00:07:57,360 wing people 207 00:08:02,270 --> 00:08:00,300 were even more reluctant to deal with it 208 00:08:03,409 --> 00:08:02,280 uh because we like to think because we 209 00:08:06,110 --> 00:08:03,419 really have bought the idea that we're 210 00:08:07,670 --> 00:08:06,120 the rational scientific ones and so we 211 00:08:09,409 --> 00:08:07,680 will you know we'll ignore all the crazy 212 00:08:12,350 --> 00:08:09,419 people 213 00:08:14,089 --> 00:08:12,360 um and uh as a result this this 214 00:08:16,730 --> 00:08:14,099 incredible story is right in front of us 215 00:08:18,650 --> 00:08:16,740 and people are just not not paying 216 00:08:20,210 --> 00:08:18,660 attention you know you know like I'm 217 00:08:21,710 --> 00:08:20,220 still astonished whenever I talk to 218 00:08:24,529 --> 00:08:21,720 someone and they don't know about the 219 00:08:25,969 --> 00:08:24,539 Tic Tac you know event yeah 220 00:08:27,650 --> 00:08:25,979 yeah and you're right it should have 221 00:08:29,390 --> 00:08:27,660 been a bigger issue than it actually 222 00:08:31,490 --> 00:08:29,400 turned out to be 223 00:08:33,949 --> 00:08:31,500 um yeah in the stigma of UFOs I mean 224 00:08:36,409 --> 00:08:33,959 that's been built now for a long time we 225 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:36,419 know the CIA had a huge hand to play in 226 00:08:41,690 --> 00:08:39,659 that to discredit people that saw UFOs 227 00:08:44,089 --> 00:08:41,700 and even when you hear somebody say I 228 00:08:47,269 --> 00:08:44,099 couldn't believe my eyes 229 00:08:49,550 --> 00:08:47,279 why your eyes don't deceive you right 230 00:08:51,710 --> 00:08:49,560 they've never deceived you before and 231 00:08:53,750 --> 00:08:51,720 it's just the mind and our conditioning 232 00:08:55,970 --> 00:08:53,760 by Society saying that you can't believe 233 00:08:57,829 --> 00:08:55,980 that this happened because nobody else 234 00:08:59,630 --> 00:08:57,839 will believe you it's a weird 235 00:09:01,250 --> 00:08:59,640 psychological thing that we all do to 236 00:09:04,009 --> 00:09:01,260 each other right 237 00:09:05,509 --> 00:09:04,019 yeah I know and and I mean it's getting 238 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:05,519 better but I definitely know that even 239 00:09:09,530 --> 00:09:07,440 now when if I start to talk it's weird 240 00:09:12,110 --> 00:09:09,540 if I start to talk about the UFO subject 241 00:09:13,730 --> 00:09:12,120 in front of some people there is that 242 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:13,740 sort of a glaze comes over their eyes 243 00:09:17,570 --> 00:09:16,080 and just that quiet that you can see 244 00:09:21,889 --> 00:09:17,580 them going well how do I get out of this 245 00:09:24,110 --> 00:09:21,899 room you know exit yeah um but if you 246 00:09:27,530 --> 00:09:24,120 can keep them on it for more than about 247 00:09:29,090 --> 00:09:27,540 15 minutes suddenly their the glaze goes 248 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:29,100 away and they and you start to see that 249 00:09:33,829 --> 00:09:32,040 look of really and they go this is 250 00:09:37,070 --> 00:09:33,839 happening and you know and you can 251 00:09:39,050 --> 00:09:37,080 direct them to you know uh good sources 252 00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:39,060 of information so I think it's it's 253 00:09:43,610 --> 00:09:40,980 possible to break through it but it's 254 00:09:46,370 --> 00:09:43,620 it's really difficult and and 255 00:09:48,290 --> 00:09:46,380 and people do want to even once they do 256 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:48,300 acknowledge it they kind of want to 257 00:09:52,630 --> 00:09:50,279 expunge it from their minds as quickly 258 00:09:55,670 --> 00:09:52,640 as possible because it's scary right 259 00:09:57,050 --> 00:09:55,680 it's what's confusing and it's and it's 260 00:09:58,670 --> 00:09:57,060 and it makes you question you have to 261 00:10:00,769 --> 00:09:58,680 question everything once you once you 262 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:00,779 accept that this is going on 263 00:10:07,070 --> 00:10:04,200 yeah yeah so it reshapes it reshapes 264 00:10:10,250 --> 00:10:07,080 reality and it makes you rethink like uh 265 00:10:11,269 --> 00:10:10,260 maybe we don't have you know I don't 266 00:10:13,550 --> 00:10:11,279 know if you guys were paying attention 267 00:10:14,930 --> 00:10:13,560 but um uh to the there was an article I 268 00:10:17,630 --> 00:10:14,940 think it was NASA they're saying that we 269 00:10:19,329 --> 00:10:17,640 haven't or the recent NASA um meetings 270 00:10:22,430 --> 00:10:19,339 and we're saying well we haven't found 271 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:22,440 extraterrestrial life yet okay good for 272 00:10:26,329 --> 00:10:24,240 us but what if they found us before we 273 00:10:28,190 --> 00:10:26,339 found them like why isn't that being 274 00:10:29,570 --> 00:10:28,200 brought up as a question right it's like 275 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:29,580 there can only be one way that we'll 276 00:10:33,170 --> 00:10:32,100 find extraterrestrial life is if we find 277 00:10:35,329 --> 00:10:33,180 them first 278 00:10:37,730 --> 00:10:35,339 and there's that thing once and yeah and 279 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:37,740 you can it's kind of when you throw out 280 00:10:42,530 --> 00:10:40,560 the phrase uh no evidence of 281 00:10:44,870 --> 00:10:42,540 extraterrestrials 282 00:10:46,910 --> 00:10:44,880 um it's kind of a code and and it's a 283 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:46,920 it's an escape hatch for the media to 284 00:10:52,970 --> 00:10:49,800 not pay any attention all the papers all 285 00:10:54,290 --> 00:10:52,980 the report is no extraterrestrials right 286 00:10:56,870 --> 00:10:54,300 they won't report the fact that there's 287 00:10:58,490 --> 00:10:56,880 all this mysterious uh Machinery in this 288 00:11:00,949 --> 00:10:58,500 guy that no one can explain that doing 289 00:11:02,210 --> 00:11:00,959 things that are impossible they won't 290 00:11:04,389 --> 00:11:02,220 report that they'll just report no 291 00:11:06,530 --> 00:11:04,399 extraterrestrials 292 00:11:08,569 --> 00:11:06,540 same thing with like The Arrow hearing 293 00:11:10,250 --> 00:11:08,579 you know once once he says that then the 294 00:11:12,470 --> 00:11:10,260 Press gets a free out 295 00:11:13,790 --> 00:11:12,480 yeah and on the topic of media I wanted 296 00:11:15,829 --> 00:11:13,800 to ask you about that there was this 297 00:11:17,870 --> 00:11:15,839 NASA meeting so of course it makes 298 00:11:19,670 --> 00:11:17,880 Canada never really has any headlines in 299 00:11:21,290 --> 00:11:19,680 relation to this unless it's big news in 300 00:11:24,170 --> 00:11:21,300 the states so sure enough we're in 301 00:11:25,910 --> 00:11:24,180 Canada night of the NASA thing Global 302 00:11:27,530 --> 00:11:25,920 News which is a massive Network Canada 303 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:27,540 wide here they're running their story 304 00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:29,760 they run it right at the end they teased 305 00:11:32,690 --> 00:11:30,600 it the whole way through the news 306 00:11:35,690 --> 00:11:32,700 broadcast so I thought well maybe that's 307 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:35,700 cool they this is a growing topic so 308 00:11:39,170 --> 00:11:37,260 they're kind of dangling that carrot as 309 00:11:40,910 --> 00:11:39,180 if it was some other big expose so 310 00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:40,920 that's fine and you know you get that 311 00:11:46,009 --> 00:11:43,800 glimmer of hope that it's gonna be uh a 312 00:11:47,810 --> 00:11:46,019 serious based topic sure enough they 313 00:11:49,610 --> 00:11:47,820 start off with you know clips of The 314 00:11:51,410 --> 00:11:49,620 X-Files music playing in the background 315 00:11:54,350 --> 00:11:51,420 I'm like I thought we were over this I 316 00:11:56,389 --> 00:11:54,360 thought this was pre-2017 it still 317 00:11:58,130 --> 00:11:56,399 happens and I mean there have been a few 318 00:12:00,410 --> 00:11:58,140 networks that have kind of there's been 319 00:12:02,509 --> 00:12:00,420 ebb and flow like James Fox was on CNN 320 00:12:04,970 --> 00:12:02,519 the first time it was all woo and cool 321 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:04,980 music second time I think he made a 322 00:12:07,910 --> 00:12:06,060 comment at the end of his first 323 00:12:09,889 --> 00:12:07,920 interview saying next time if you want 324 00:12:11,810 --> 00:12:09,899 to do a serious look I'd love to come 325 00:12:14,509 --> 00:12:11,820 back and they did have him back and he 326 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:14,519 did do that so there seems to be change 327 00:12:17,990 --> 00:12:16,800 but as much as we think there is it's 328 00:12:20,090 --> 00:12:18,000 either the media is getting this 329 00:12:21,889 --> 00:12:20,100 directive or they're the same people 330 00:12:24,650 --> 00:12:21,899 whose eyes gloss over and they're like 331 00:12:26,509 --> 00:12:24,660 okay stick it in the end after the puppy 332 00:12:28,810 --> 00:12:26,519 dogs you know like or with you know the 333 00:12:31,430 --> 00:12:28,820 cat doing tricks so on a lighter note 334 00:12:33,050 --> 00:12:31,440 UFOs yeah so like what do you think 335 00:12:34,970 --> 00:12:33,060 about mainstream media are they helping 336 00:12:37,490 --> 00:12:34,980 in any way or are they simply just 337 00:12:41,930 --> 00:12:37,500 burning they're not really helping at 338 00:12:43,670 --> 00:12:41,940 all yeah I agree and and Canada I'm sad 339 00:12:47,210 --> 00:12:43,680 as a candidate does seem to be even 340 00:12:50,509 --> 00:12:47,220 further behind than the U.S coverage 341 00:12:52,370 --> 00:12:50,519 um and and even more for me sadly that 342 00:12:54,410 --> 00:12:52,380 most of the coverage is coming from Far 343 00:12:58,129 --> 00:12:54,420 Right news or outfits you know it's like 344 00:13:00,889 --> 00:12:58,139 news nation and fox and you know 345 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:00,899 um so very little although I um 346 00:13:05,569 --> 00:13:03,360 although at least with the NASA panel I 347 00:13:07,750 --> 00:13:05,579 noticed it did get coverage on MSNBC 348 00:13:10,790 --> 00:13:07,760 which was nice and there's an NBC 349 00:13:12,829 --> 00:13:10,800 reporter named Gotti Schwartz who was 350 00:13:14,990 --> 00:13:12,839 one of the few people that's actually uh 351 00:13:17,449 --> 00:13:15,000 in the mainstream media who's actually 352 00:13:19,610 --> 00:13:17,459 you know going out and covering UFOs the 353 00:13:21,769 --> 00:13:19,620 UFO story without playing The X-Files 354 00:13:22,790 --> 00:13:21,779 theme yeah right you know yeah because I 355 00:13:25,550 --> 00:13:22,800 know I've been watching that I've been 356 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:25,560 watching my my buddy uh Jeremy Corbell 357 00:13:29,509 --> 00:13:27,300 doing interviews over this last few 358 00:13:30,350 --> 00:13:29,519 years and it's especially you've been 359 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:30,360 doing a lot of interviews with 360 00:13:35,090 --> 00:13:32,220 Australians and it's been interesting to 361 00:13:36,889 --> 00:13:35,100 watch them gradually you know start when 362 00:13:39,650 --> 00:13:36,899 he first would go on it was the X-Files 363 00:13:41,329 --> 00:13:39,660 constantly and and they've gradually uh 364 00:13:42,769 --> 00:13:41,339 stopped giggling and started taking it 365 00:13:45,769 --> 00:13:42,779 more seriously and stopped playing this 366 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:45,779 the uh you know that theme music yeah 367 00:13:50,810 --> 00:13:48,600 but it's taken you know it's taken years 368 00:13:51,889 --> 00:13:50,820 of Jeremy just saying guys this is real 369 00:13:55,069 --> 00:13:51,899 serious 370 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:55,079 you know stop giggling yeah we chatted 371 00:13:59,269 --> 00:13:57,120 with Mary Rodwell from Australia and 372 00:14:00,949 --> 00:13:59,279 same thing they she does like studies 373 00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:00,959 and collects data and reports and the 374 00:14:04,310 --> 00:14:02,220 numbers are the same as they would be 375 00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:04,320 anywhere else per capita but the number 376 00:14:08,690 --> 00:14:06,959 of people willing to talk is far less in 377 00:14:10,370 --> 00:14:08,700 fact she said that there are single moms 378 00:14:12,290 --> 00:14:10,380 that don't even want to bring that up or 379 00:14:14,329 --> 00:14:12,300 tell anybody because they're scared that 380 00:14:15,470 --> 00:14:14,339 like Child Protective Services is going 381 00:14:17,329 --> 00:14:15,480 to take their kids away because they 382 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:17,339 think they're crazy and this is in 383 00:14:22,190 --> 00:14:19,260 today's age not like 10 or 20 years ago 384 00:14:24,769 --> 00:14:22,200 when it was more stigma and uh the UK in 385 00:14:26,449 --> 00:14:24,779 a lot of areas they have a very rich and 386 00:14:28,850 --> 00:14:26,459 and happy 387 00:14:31,129 --> 00:14:28,860 um Enthusiast group but in terms of the 388 00:14:32,569 --> 00:14:31,139 general population it's a like don't go 389 00:14:35,090 --> 00:14:32,579 there don't talk about it you're still 390 00:14:37,310 --> 00:14:35,100 crazy they seem to be more conservative 391 00:14:39,530 --> 00:14:37,320 in their views and Canada as well it 392 00:14:41,269 --> 00:14:39,540 seems like America really is the only 393 00:14:42,769 --> 00:14:41,279 place where there's enough interest that 394 00:14:44,689 --> 00:14:42,779 they can have these conferences and 395 00:14:46,129 --> 00:14:44,699 things like that and then you hear 396 00:14:48,230 --> 00:14:46,139 things like they come at a report coming 397 00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:48,240 out of France Italy there's other 398 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:50,760 countries doing work and maybe it's 399 00:14:54,710 --> 00:14:52,560 because they never had that stigma at a 400 00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:54,720 break they the government didn't make it 401 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,160 a negative thing and that you're a 402 00:14:59,930 --> 00:14:58,320 Looney Tune if you believe it so they 403 00:15:01,970 --> 00:14:59,940 can actually do the work without you 404 00:15:03,949 --> 00:15:01,980 know the the trauma of 70 years of 405 00:15:05,629 --> 00:15:03,959 denial so yeah I think it's definitely 406 00:15:07,550 --> 00:15:05,639 true especially in I think in South 407 00:15:10,490 --> 00:15:07,560 America where culturally they've never 408 00:15:12,110 --> 00:15:10,500 had the the taboo about uh I mean I 409 00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:12,120 think Mexico has had less of a taboo 410 00:15:18,350 --> 00:15:15,540 UFOs historically 411 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:18,360 um yeah and as I said I can't um I mean 412 00:15:20,810 --> 00:15:19,680 at least yeah the US you do have 413 00:15:23,629 --> 00:15:20,820 Congress 414 00:15:26,210 --> 00:15:23,639 tackling it on some level and I don't 415 00:15:28,310 --> 00:15:26,220 know that and I I know there's one 416 00:15:31,970 --> 00:15:28,320 Member of Parliament in Canada who keeps 417 00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:31,980 pushing for yeah Larry McGuire yeah and 418 00:15:35,150 --> 00:15:33,600 uh and that's the only person I've ever 419 00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,160 heard of in Canada who's pushing for 420 00:15:40,009 --> 00:15:37,440 government to be open and talk about 421 00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:40,019 UFOs yeah since Paul Hellyer anyway Paul 422 00:15:44,449 --> 00:15:42,000 was big on it but he was later in his 423 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:44,459 age when he started his work and we all 424 00:15:49,189 --> 00:15:47,160 expire at some point right yes yeah and 425 00:15:51,290 --> 00:15:49,199 of course there's a I was talking to 426 00:15:52,730 --> 00:15:51,300 Ralph Blumenthal recently you know and 427 00:15:55,610 --> 00:15:52,740 he wrote the book believer about John 428 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:55,620 Mack yeah and and then and I said it's 429 00:16:01,250 --> 00:15:57,120 interesting you use that title because 430 00:16:03,410 --> 00:16:01,260 that word is used to dismiss people who 431 00:16:06,110 --> 00:16:03,420 um like I'm like I've heard people 432 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:06,120 dismissing Leslie Kane uh who wrote The 433 00:16:11,210 --> 00:16:08,160 New York Times article whiplomothill you 434 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:11,220 know uh by saying of course she's a 435 00:16:18,769 --> 00:16:12,240 believer 436 00:16:20,090 --> 00:16:18,779 like again it's that free pass or that 437 00:16:22,250 --> 00:16:20,100 for everyone to just dismiss everything 438 00:16:24,769 --> 00:16:22,260 they're saying not look at any of the 439 00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:24,779 data not listen to any of the uh the 440 00:16:28,370 --> 00:16:25,860 sources 441 00:16:31,370 --> 00:16:28,380 uh just using that phrase 442 00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:31,380 shuts everything down which is a 443 00:16:36,650 --> 00:16:34,560 you know uh and that seems like Paul 444 00:16:37,970 --> 00:16:36,660 Heller I think he was constantly labeled 445 00:16:41,030 --> 00:16:37,980 as a believer 446 00:16:43,129 --> 00:16:41,040 and which is synonymous with lunatic 447 00:16:44,990 --> 00:16:43,139 and they used his age against him too 448 00:16:48,050 --> 00:16:45,000 they're like oh he's lost it the poor 449 00:16:49,910 --> 00:16:48,060 guy you know anything he could uh you 450 00:16:52,490 --> 00:16:49,920 know expose a vulnerability or make it 451 00:16:54,590 --> 00:16:52,500 seem like there existed one but they did 452 00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:54,600 that to that uh General in Israel too 453 00:16:59,810 --> 00:16:56,399 that recently well a couple years ago 454 00:17:01,850 --> 00:16:59,820 yeah yeah some sort of federation it's 455 00:17:04,250 --> 00:17:01,860 like dude the guy ran the program for 456 00:17:05,990 --> 00:17:04,260 what 30 years and we're not going to 457 00:17:08,090 --> 00:17:06,000 give him credit or at least go okay what 458 00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:08,100 are you saying like everybody just 459 00:17:12,169 --> 00:17:10,079 dismissed it and you know we got guys 460 00:17:14,449 --> 00:17:12,179 like Paul Heller and that dude that I 461 00:17:17,630 --> 00:17:14,459 can't pronounce his name I am a shed 462 00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:17,640 yeah yes yeah no it's yeah very serious 463 00:17:23,390 --> 00:17:20,760 guy yeah great credentials yeah ran 464 00:17:25,429 --> 00:17:23,400 their space program you know yeah he's 465 00:17:27,169 --> 00:17:25,439 at risk of like treasonous charges if 466 00:17:28,490 --> 00:17:27,179 he's just making stuff up his 467 00:17:30,350 --> 00:17:28,500 government's gonna string him out 468 00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:30,360 they're not going to stand behind him so 469 00:17:34,250 --> 00:17:32,400 when you have these people in positions 470 00:17:36,529 --> 00:17:34,260 of power saying big things and nobody 471 00:17:39,409 --> 00:17:36,539 says anything probably because it's true 472 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:39,419 yeah well you you've got the UFO 473 00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:41,520 subjects is the only one where you have 474 00:17:44,930 --> 00:17:43,200 somebody who has incredible credentials 475 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:44,940 you know like a science like scientist 476 00:17:50,510 --> 00:17:48,240 like uh Gary Nolan you know impeccable 477 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:50,520 credentials long history of doing great 478 00:17:54,529 --> 00:17:52,080 work starting companies you know 479 00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:54,539 advancing advancing the state of science 480 00:17:57,710 --> 00:17:57,000 for his whole career 481 00:17:59,390 --> 00:17:57,720 um 482 00:18:02,930 --> 00:17:59,400 so when he comes out and starts talking 483 00:18:04,730 --> 00:18:02,940 seriously about about uaps uh you know 484 00:18:06,890 --> 00:18:04,740 in any other subject it would be this is 485 00:18:08,150 --> 00:18:06,900 a very serious credible person we should 486 00:18:10,909 --> 00:18:08,160 probably pay attention to what he's 487 00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,919 saying but when it's UFOs the response 488 00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:12,720 is we should dismiss everything he's 489 00:18:17,150 --> 00:18:15,120 ever done in his life yeah the cancer 490 00:18:19,070 --> 00:18:17,160 culture yeah we should downplay 491 00:18:21,409 --> 00:18:19,080 everything about this man we should we 492 00:18:23,810 --> 00:18:21,419 should uh start disparaging his 493 00:18:27,049 --> 00:18:23,820 scientific achievements 494 00:18:29,510 --> 00:18:27,059 um because he's taking you seriously 495 00:18:31,490 --> 00:18:29,520 yeah yeah and you mentioned John Mack 496 00:18:33,710 --> 00:18:31,500 John Mack had a huge influence on me 497 00:18:35,810 --> 00:18:33,720 I've always been obsessed with the alien 498 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:35,820 abduction phenomenon which I really shot 499 00:18:39,409 --> 00:18:38,160 myself in the foot because as a kid I 500 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:39,419 know if you remember this but like I 501 00:18:42,110 --> 00:18:40,740 would go to the library and you guys 502 00:18:44,390 --> 00:18:42,120 probably went through this too you would 503 00:18:46,610 --> 00:18:44,400 go to the UFO section it was almost like 504 00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,620 taking up porn like you didn't want to 505 00:18:50,029 --> 00:18:48,720 be seen you know you would bring it up 506 00:18:52,490 --> 00:18:50,039 to the front you would hide the cover 507 00:18:54,830 --> 00:18:52,500 until you got to the front and it was 508 00:18:56,049 --> 00:18:54,840 ridiculous but uh John checked out a lot 509 00:18:58,190 --> 00:18:56,059 of porn 510 00:18:59,930 --> 00:18:58,200 well you know we've all been in there 511 00:19:01,130 --> 00:18:59,940 we've all been there yeah oh you didn't 512 00:19:03,470 --> 00:19:01,140 have the internet for you speak your 513 00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,480 UFOs inside the porn 514 00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,520 they're less they're less taboo than the 515 00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:07,679 poor 516 00:19:11,210 --> 00:19:09,120 they're just reading jugs I'm not 517 00:19:13,850 --> 00:19:11,220 reading UFO magazine yeah oh how did 518 00:19:16,370 --> 00:19:13,860 that end up there I have no idea why I 519 00:19:18,590 --> 00:19:16,380 might as well buy it while I'm here yeah 520 00:19:19,730 --> 00:19:18,600 I'm sorry but it was stupid because you 521 00:19:21,409 --> 00:19:19,740 know throughout your teen years you're 522 00:19:23,390 --> 00:19:21,419 developing you're you know you're going 523 00:19:25,130 --> 00:19:23,400 through all these paranoid phases and 524 00:19:26,810 --> 00:19:25,140 I'm reading about abduction phenomenon 525 00:19:29,210 --> 00:19:26,820 I'm totally terrified to go to bed at 526 00:19:31,549 --> 00:19:29,220 night you know yeah but John Mack had a 527 00:19:33,950 --> 00:19:31,559 huge influence and he again you know he 528 00:19:36,049 --> 00:19:33,960 was a sort of a Pioneer somebody to push 529 00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:36,059 through all the stigma and said look 530 00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:38,400 there's something here because you 531 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,140 recently you mentioned this I think was 532 00:19:43,549 --> 00:19:42,240 on Chrissy Newton or maybe it would have 533 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:43,559 been Joe Rogan that you had changed your 534 00:19:46,669 --> 00:19:45,360 mind on the uh Alien Abduction 535 00:19:49,370 --> 00:19:46,679 phenomenon 536 00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:49,380 at recently right and yeah there's 537 00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:51,120 something to it it's either it's a new 538 00:19:55,130 --> 00:19:53,160 mental illness that millions of people 539 00:19:56,890 --> 00:19:55,140 across the world have or it's actually 540 00:20:00,169 --> 00:19:56,900 happening there's no in between here 541 00:20:01,730 --> 00:20:00,179 yeah and it seems like 542 00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,740 um yeah and I guess it's one of these I 543 00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:03,120 guess I just I 544 00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,980 didn't deal with it because I guess 545 00:20:10,210 --> 00:20:07,200 because it is scary and it is you know 546 00:20:12,289 --> 00:20:10,220 it does seem weird uh 547 00:20:14,450 --> 00:20:12,299 but after after a certain point of 548 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,460 someone well if I'm not if I'm accepting 549 00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,559 that these machines are in the air 550 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:18,480 uh I don't know who's flying but what 551 00:20:23,049 --> 00:20:19,980 they're doing here but if I'm accepting 552 00:20:27,230 --> 00:20:23,059 that they're here then it's kind of 553 00:20:29,390 --> 00:20:27,240 illogical to just deny any like any 554 00:20:30,950 --> 00:20:29,400 possibility of abductions right because 555 00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:30,960 if there are if they are from somewhere 556 00:20:34,850 --> 00:20:32,460 else it should make sense they would 557 00:20:37,610 --> 00:20:34,860 abduct us why you know why wouldn't they 558 00:20:39,409 --> 00:20:37,620 you know you're gonna you know it just 559 00:20:41,630 --> 00:20:39,419 doesn't uh 560 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:41,640 you know it just there was no real logic 561 00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:44,400 to continuing to deny it so I'm and I 562 00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:46,380 don't know what the what the abduction 563 00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:48,600 phenomena is I don't know if it's 564 00:20:52,970 --> 00:20:51,660 you know I mean I I my sense is that 565 00:20:54,590 --> 00:20:52,980 it's something that is really happening 566 00:20:56,690 --> 00:20:54,600 it is a physical occurrence that is 567 00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:56,700 happening to people 568 00:21:01,310 --> 00:20:59,820 um I know I think uh I think John Max 569 00:21:04,490 --> 00:21:01,320 started to believe that it was something 570 00:21:06,830 --> 00:21:04,500 that wasn't necessarily happening in in 571 00:21:08,210 --> 00:21:06,840 our reality but but it might be 572 00:21:10,130 --> 00:21:08,220 something that's occurring for with 573 00:21:12,350 --> 00:21:10,140 these people in another reality or in 574 00:21:13,789 --> 00:21:12,360 another like another sort of plane of 575 00:21:17,150 --> 00:21:13,799 consciousness 576 00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:17,160 and uh but I know uh 577 00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:19,860 uh who wrote missing time blanking on 578 00:21:25,010 --> 00:21:22,200 his name now but Hopkins Bud Hopkins 579 00:21:26,510 --> 00:21:25,020 thank you I got you back I was on the 580 00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,520 other end of the other side of it he and 581 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:28,559 David Jacobs were very adamant that no 582 00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:30,600 these people are physically being 583 00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:32,640 removed from their space they're taken 584 00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:34,260 into a physical craft and things are 585 00:21:39,770 --> 00:21:37,020 physically being done to them 586 00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:39,780 um and that that is a dark part of the 587 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:43,020 whole UFO story absolutely and if it's 588 00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:44,520 true and if it's happening to millions 589 00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:47,039 of people which I guess bud Hopkins and 590 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,460 David Jacobs did a poll I guess trying 591 00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:52,320 to determine how many people and and 592 00:21:57,169 --> 00:21:53,880 they kept trying to reduce the number in 593 00:21:58,430 --> 00:21:57,179 their poll as much as they could uh but 594 00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:58,440 they kept coming up with a huge number 595 00:22:01,909 --> 00:22:00,360 that's millions of like millions of 596 00:22:04,130 --> 00:22:01,919 people in the US alone 597 00:22:06,649 --> 00:22:04,140 who have had an abduction experience 598 00:22:08,930 --> 00:22:06,659 yeah one in 50 I think was the result 599 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:08,940 out of that Roper pull so I think that's 600 00:22:12,649 --> 00:22:10,500 like over six and a half million people 601 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:12,659 just in the U.S if you go off that alone 602 00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:15,240 so it's insane yeah that is yeah and 603 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,559 that's and that's the smallest number 604 00:22:20,570 --> 00:22:18,480 they can make the poll turn out I think 605 00:22:22,250 --> 00:22:20,580 yeah yeah and that's the people that 606 00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:22,260 remember the experience right there's 607 00:22:25,250 --> 00:22:23,760 some people that won't they'll live 608 00:22:28,610 --> 00:22:25,260 their entire life not remembering what 609 00:22:30,770 --> 00:22:28,620 took place right yeah that's trippy yeah 610 00:22:33,289 --> 00:22:30,780 it could be two out of 50 or 3 out of 50 611 00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:33,299 like we don't and that was in the 1990s 612 00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:36,840 let's retake the polls right now we're a 613 00:22:41,390 --> 00:22:38,760 lot more open about it I know we've uh 614 00:22:44,029 --> 00:22:41,400 talked to people in the military the CIA 615 00:22:47,090 --> 00:22:44,039 uh people in government are having these 616 00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,100 experiences if they themselves haven't 617 00:22:52,430 --> 00:22:48,960 seen something they know somebody who 618 00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,440 has yeah and it's crazy for me I don't 619 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,000 know why I attract people to tell me 620 00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:56,640 their stories like out of nowhere like I 621 00:22:59,750 --> 00:22:57,900 mentioned this a few times on the 622 00:23:01,549 --> 00:22:59,760 podcast but people would just start like 623 00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:01,559 hey I seen them once you know like out 624 00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:04,020 of no nowhere yeah which to me scares 625 00:23:08,390 --> 00:23:05,340 the crap out of me just like how many 626 00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:08,400 people in locally you know in my area 627 00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:10,380 have seen these things much less 628 00:23:15,950 --> 00:23:13,440 worldwide so it is a phenomenon that we 629 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:15,960 all I think it supersedes government and 630 00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:19,320 Military it's a humanitarian issue and 631 00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:21,419 they should be upfront about it yeah 632 00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:23,400 because it's really traumatizing for 633 00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,100 people and and so the the event itself 634 00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:28,080 is traumatizing but then to be dismissed 635 00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:31,320 and uh told you're crazy is doubtly 636 00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:35,280 traumatizing yeah have you guys seen 637 00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:38,100 um the uh the aerial phenomena yeah yeah 638 00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:39,840 we interviewed Randall Nickerson and 639 00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:41,159 we've we've brought it up in a few 640 00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:42,600 different shows but that's exactly 641 00:23:47,149 --> 00:23:44,640 correct what we're talking about now the 642 00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,159 the whole trauma of the girl even going 643 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:48,720 back to the school now as an adult 644 00:23:53,149 --> 00:23:51,240 everything come rushing back and it's 645 00:23:54,649 --> 00:23:53,159 I've we've had people with experiences I 646 00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:54,659 think Kevin day and I said what was more 647 00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:57,360 traumatizing the event or the way people 648 00:24:00,950 --> 00:23:59,280 treated you after the fact making you 649 00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,960 know belittling your claims and he said 650 00:24:05,090 --> 00:24:03,000 it was both they're both both equally as 651 00:24:07,970 --> 00:24:05,100 damaging and I think that's the case 652 00:24:10,130 --> 00:24:07,980 with the aerial school kids too yeah you 653 00:24:11,810 --> 00:24:10,140 just see how much that that all these 654 00:24:13,730 --> 00:24:11,820 kids they've scattered all around the 655 00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,740 world and but they still have they're 656 00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,840 all they're still they're dealing with 657 00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,039 this event in their lives even though 658 00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:19,440 the event itself wasn't 659 00:24:25,490 --> 00:24:22,620 um a dark event for them but it was 660 00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:25,500 frightening yeah and then but then to 661 00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:28,200 not be taken seriously and and to not be 662 00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,640 able to talk about it and to have this 663 00:24:32,750 --> 00:24:30,960 you know your whole life like that girl 664 00:24:35,169 --> 00:24:32,760 you know she's been painting this 665 00:24:40,250 --> 00:24:35,179 painting that scene for her whole life 666 00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:40,260 and uh and hasn't been able to kind of 667 00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:41,820 um I guess what do you say incorporated 668 00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:44,880 into her life in a in a healthy way and 669 00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:48,840 so this so the the stigma isn't just uh 670 00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,760 an inconvenience it actually does real 671 00:24:55,310 --> 00:24:52,559 damage in people's lives it can destroy 672 00:24:57,649 --> 00:24:55,320 people I mean there's uh 673 00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:57,659 was it the the scientist James McDonald 674 00:25:01,610 --> 00:25:00,539 back in the 50s who or you know or after 675 00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:01,620 uh 676 00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:03,840 in the 60s I guess it was after Blue 677 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:06,840 Book was shut down uh because he 678 00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,600 protested and said this there is a 679 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,039 serious thing here we really should be 680 00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:12,960 studying this and this and that the uh 681 00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:15,840 you know the Condon report was was uh 682 00:25:20,330 --> 00:25:18,539 was a whitewash so he was going public 683 00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:20,340 destroyed his scientific career and he 684 00:25:22,730 --> 00:25:21,840 wound up committing suicide like a year 685 00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:22,740 later 686 00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:25,140 right you know he no one took him 687 00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:26,880 seriously even though he was a really 688 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:29,580 credible you know physicist 689 00:25:33,289 --> 00:25:32,340 do you think that oh sorry Louie sorry I 690 00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:33,299 was just going to say we're mentioning 691 00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:34,679 the change that happens with people 692 00:25:38,029 --> 00:25:36,179 there may even be physiologically 693 00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:38,039 changes I know Dr Gary Nolan we 694 00:25:41,450 --> 00:25:39,659 interviewed him and he mentioned that 695 00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,460 they're doing studies on regions of the 696 00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:43,500 brain the basal ganglion stuff like that 697 00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:46,559 to see if in fact after a contact event 698 00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:48,600 we have somehow changed like there's 699 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:49,860 areas of the brain that normally 700 00:25:53,870 --> 00:25:52,020 wouldn't fire now they fire like crazy 701 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,880 and the only thing they can find common 702 00:25:58,610 --> 00:25:56,400 to that are like yogis or people that 703 00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,620 are trained in like deep tantric yoga 704 00:26:02,210 --> 00:26:00,960 and guys like Deepak Chopra that can 705 00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,220 just go into these really deep 706 00:26:06,890 --> 00:26:04,320 meditative States and they can activate 707 00:26:08,330 --> 00:26:06,900 those parts of their brain so we brought 708 00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:08,340 up Consciousness earlier I wanted to 709 00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:09,779 sort of get your opinion on the whole 710 00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:12,779 Consciousness aspect in relation to UAP 711 00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,659 and UFO sightings in general 712 00:26:20,570 --> 00:26:17,700 yeah well it definitely seems to be a 713 00:26:21,289 --> 00:26:20,580 big part of it I mean you know 714 00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:21,299 um 715 00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:23,460 and and I actually after all these years 716 00:26:29,570 --> 00:26:26,400 I actually did have a UFO experience 717 00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:29,580 um like a year ago January 718 00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,880 um with with Jeremy Corbell he and I 719 00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:35,279 were out walking his dog and we saw we 720 00:26:39,970 --> 00:26:38,220 saw what was a UFO we saw this orangey 721 00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:39,980 golden craft 722 00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:43,200 uh traveling in his big you know half 723 00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:45,720 circle around this Valley 724 00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:47,820 and uh and one of the one of the things 725 00:26:51,169 --> 00:26:49,320 that was really interesting about it was 726 00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:51,179 that there seemed it seemed to be 727 00:26:55,010 --> 00:26:52,860 interacting with our Consciousness it 728 00:26:55,870 --> 00:26:55,020 seemed to be controlling our emotional 729 00:26:58,430 --> 00:26:55,880 state 730 00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:58,440 uh as we were viewing it like because 731 00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,059 neither one of us got excited and 732 00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,220 neither one of us took out took a 733 00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:04,559 picture of it not another one of us 734 00:27:08,990 --> 00:27:07,320 spoke for the entire event 735 00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:09,000 um except for at one point when Jeremy 736 00:27:12,409 --> 00:27:11,100 just said unprompted I'm not even gonna 737 00:27:14,750 --> 00:27:12,419 take a picture 738 00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:14,760 like he was responding Jeremy Corbell 739 00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:18,360 said that yeah wow yeah and uh you know 740 00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:20,039 this is a guy who practices getting his 741 00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:22,500 camera out as fast as he can so that 742 00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:23,880 he'd be ready for this sort of thing 743 00:27:29,269 --> 00:27:28,080 that's crazy but yeah so then and so it 744 00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:29,279 definitely felt like like all of our 745 00:27:36,110 --> 00:27:32,400 emotions were being tamped down and we 746 00:27:38,029 --> 00:27:36,120 were just very quietly watching and just 747 00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:38,039 you know it felt like the idea was that 748 00:27:41,149 --> 00:27:39,360 we were just supposed to be quiet and 749 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:41,159 pay attention 750 00:27:47,330 --> 00:27:44,820 and uh you know and then again the next 751 00:27:50,149 --> 00:27:47,340 day I went to my iPad to try and draw it 752 00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:50,159 and I can't draw at all I have no 753 00:27:54,529 --> 00:27:52,440 artistic ability uh but within 15 754 00:27:56,930 --> 00:27:54,539 minutes I was able to find I was able to 755 00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:56,940 find the app I needed uh find all the 756 00:28:01,789 --> 00:27:59,940 tools within the app I needed uh the 757 00:28:04,909 --> 00:28:01,799 colors I needed the effects to make to 758 00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:04,919 get the right sort of softness of it and 759 00:28:08,930 --> 00:28:06,299 and was able to find everything I need 760 00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:08,940 in 15 minutes draw exactly what we had 761 00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:10,440 seen 762 00:28:15,769 --> 00:28:13,440 and uh and and it's beyond my actual 763 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,779 abilities to do that 764 00:28:20,210 --> 00:28:18,480 so you've been upgraded yeah and and the 765 00:28:23,210 --> 00:28:20,220 thing and I think if I tried to draw it 766 00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,220 again now I probably couldn't 767 00:28:26,529 --> 00:28:24,960 you were meant to do it at that time 768 00:28:28,490 --> 00:28:26,539 yeah 769 00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:28,500 instead of Jeremy said is that what we 770 00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:30,000 saw and you said yeah that's exactly 771 00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:32,820 what we saw but it's crazy that these 772 00:28:37,610 --> 00:28:35,100 because we hear this often obviously in 773 00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:37,620 the world of ufology how these crafts 774 00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,960 seem to operate in a way that we're like 775 00:28:44,690 --> 00:28:42,000 oh that's not a big deal or control 776 00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,700 masses like there's uh that event that 777 00:28:48,529 --> 00:28:46,559 took place at a I think was a drive-in 778 00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,539 theater in the 1990s where everybody saw 779 00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:50,760 this massive craft and nobody moved 780 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,400 they're just like like it's nothing and 781 00:28:57,169 --> 00:28:54,960 that's a part of this concerning it's 782 00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:57,179 like well okay are we in control of the 783 00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:58,740 Consciousness or do they just take 784 00:29:03,289 --> 00:29:01,380 control of it once they're around I 785 00:29:04,669 --> 00:29:03,299 don't carry a bit well that's the thing 786 00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:04,679 is I think we're realizing that 787 00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,740 Consciousness is is a trickier subject 788 00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:10,080 than we ever imagined 789 00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:13,380 um and we're I mean we're only the early 790 00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,960 stages realizing that that Consciousness 791 00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:18,720 has effects outside of our brains right 792 00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:20,700 there's there's like 793 00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,860 um the uh Princeton's been doing their 794 00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:25,020 global Consciousness study for over 20 795 00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:26,399 years now 796 00:29:30,850 --> 00:29:28,980 where they where they look at how uh 797 00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:30,860 human consciousness and attention 798 00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:34,260 affects uh random number generators 799 00:29:39,289 --> 00:29:36,480 yeah I did not hear about that that's 800 00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:39,299 cool it's like Dean Raiden and uh I 801 00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:40,919 think it's the center for noetic studies 802 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:42,000 or something it's called they've been 803 00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:43,500 doing that for quite a few decades now 804 00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:45,720 seeing you know things like entanglement 805 00:29:49,310 --> 00:29:47,399 and if you can affect random number 806 00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:49,320 generators and I don't know if they're 807 00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:51,059 any closer to the answer but apparently 808 00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:53,340 it works there's something to it yeah I 809 00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:54,539 don't think they know what that what the 810 00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:57,360 mechanism is that's at play but they 811 00:30:01,190 --> 00:29:59,100 just keep piling up more and more data 812 00:30:03,649 --> 00:30:01,200 that it works and and coincidentally 813 00:30:06,350 --> 00:30:03,659 they they set up the the global study 814 00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,360 right before 9 11 happened 815 00:30:10,190 --> 00:30:08,399 so they had set up all these random 816 00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,200 number generators all over the all over 817 00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:12,960 the planet and to monitor what happens 818 00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,760 when large numbers of people are paying 819 00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:17,520 attention to a single event and then on 820 00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:20,580 cue 911 happened and all of these random 821 00:30:25,130 --> 00:30:22,620 number generators all around the planet 822 00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:25,140 started going off Randomness to an 823 00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:26,640 extent that this I think they said the 824 00:30:31,789 --> 00:30:28,559 likelihood of it was in the billions 825 00:30:35,149 --> 00:30:31,799 billions to one against that the the 826 00:30:36,649 --> 00:30:35,159 machines would all do this wow and they 827 00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:36,659 they just keep they've been piling up 828 00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,000 the data ever since then I think one of 829 00:30:44,149 --> 00:30:42,000 the events that they listed was um uh 830 00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:44,159 Pierre Trudeau's funeral when Justin 831 00:30:48,289 --> 00:30:46,260 Trudeau was reading the eulogy because 832 00:30:50,029 --> 00:30:48,299 they said almost every single Canadian 833 00:30:53,210 --> 00:30:50,039 was listening to the eulogy at the time 834 00:30:56,450 --> 00:30:53,220 yeah and so also the random number 835 00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,460 generators in Canada went off randomness 836 00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,260 at that moment 837 00:31:03,889 --> 00:31:01,200 that's crazy yeah so what do you make of 838 00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:03,899 like the ce5 you know in terms of uh 839 00:31:07,250 --> 00:31:05,760 everybody putting their attention on the 840 00:31:09,409 --> 00:31:07,260 same thing and trying to have 841 00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:09,419 manifestations and all that do you think 842 00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:11,100 it's possible do you think it's a good 843 00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:13,140 or bad idea what do you think it is 844 00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:14,700 possible uh well one of the things 845 00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:17,520 that's about my experience was that 846 00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,940 right before it uh I had we'd been I'd 847 00:31:23,930 --> 00:31:22,320 been just looking at all the uh 848 00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:23,940 commercial air traffic off in the 849 00:31:26,990 --> 00:31:25,020 distance and thinking what a beautiful 850 00:31:28,669 --> 00:31:27,000 clear night it was the stars are very 851 00:31:30,590 --> 00:31:28,679 bright I don't even think there was a 852 00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,600 moon in the sky 853 00:31:33,710 --> 00:31:32,159 um and I said this would be a great 854 00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:33,720 night to see something 855 00:31:37,909 --> 00:31:35,760 and three minutes later Jeremy said Dave 856 00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:37,919 turn around and there was this thing on 857 00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:39,240 the sky 858 00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,240 so it's it seemed like we asked for it 859 00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:43,919 and it showed up 860 00:31:47,389 --> 00:31:46,140 uh so I think and and I definitely know 861 00:31:48,649 --> 00:31:47,399 there's there's a lot of groups I know 862 00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,659 in Los Angeles there's a group that 863 00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,820 gathers uh I haven't gone out I've never 864 00:31:54,409 --> 00:31:52,559 gone out with them but I've heard they 865 00:31:56,930 --> 00:31:54,419 they gather in Los Angeles and do 866 00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:56,940 summoning they call it 867 00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,640 um and uh and it seems to work they see 868 00:32:04,970 --> 00:32:01,200 mostly it seems like they've summoned 869 00:32:07,370 --> 00:32:04,980 these sort of uh spheres of light 870 00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:07,380 um I I don't think you need to pay 871 00:32:11,330 --> 00:32:09,179 anyone thousands of dollars to learn how 872 00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:11,340 to do it this is I would I would caution 873 00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:14,520 people not to do that good advice if 874 00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,960 somebody would also caution people not 875 00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:17,760 to do that yeah someone wants to charge 876 00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:19,140 you thousands of dollars to go out to 877 00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:21,539 the desert and you know just especially 878 00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,980 if you have these inherent abilities 879 00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:24,960 just as a human being you can just train 880 00:32:28,190 --> 00:32:26,820 them or maybe we had them and then they 881 00:32:30,289 --> 00:32:28,200 kind of got dumbed down through the 882 00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,299 process of growing up and yeah you know 883 00:32:34,850 --> 00:32:32,399 uh conditioning from external sources 884 00:32:36,049 --> 00:32:34,860 but we all are a little bit psychic and 885 00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,059 that's the point of those random number 886 00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,880 generator tests and ESP I think if 887 00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:40,559 there's five ESP cards the average 888 00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:42,899 person will get two some will get more 889 00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:45,480 some fewer but still even to randomly 890 00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:47,220 guess two out of five those are high 891 00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,080 percentages like for people that are 892 00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:51,120 quote unquote not psychic you know yeah 893 00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:52,980 no and look and Stanford had some pretty 894 00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:55,500 amazing results with their remote 895 00:32:59,450 --> 00:32:57,779 viewing studies you know that again 896 00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:59,460 people will bring those up to dismiss 897 00:33:06,010 --> 00:33:01,860 people that were involved in them but uh 898 00:33:09,409 --> 00:33:06,020 but they got they got results yeah right 899 00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:09,419 yeah any nail like they'll give them a 900 00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:11,940 geographic location and like I'll just 901 00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:13,559 go there I don't understand how they do 902 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:15,179 it personally but that's pretty trippy 903 00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,320 because they'll give them details of 904 00:33:20,269 --> 00:33:18,360 what's taking place right now 905 00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:20,279 like how is that possible you're 906 00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:22,380 thousands of miles and they try to trick 907 00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:23,640 them too they don't just take these 908 00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:26,159 people's word at face value they'll give 909 00:33:30,289 --> 00:33:28,019 them some random coordinates for a gas 910 00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:30,299 station somewhere just to see if the 911 00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,799 guy's gonna say oh it's an underground 912 00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:34,320 base you know like they're already going 913 00:33:37,970 --> 00:33:36,120 at it with a skeptical mind because they 914 00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,980 know that people in peer review are just 915 00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,320 going to shred their work if it's not 916 00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:42,299 legit and a lot of people I think think 917 00:33:46,250 --> 00:33:44,279 they have these abilities maybe aren't 918 00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:46,260 as polished I think it's a very small 919 00:33:49,850 --> 00:33:48,179 percentage it can actually do it and I 920 00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,860 formed this opinion off of chatting with 921 00:33:53,149 --> 00:33:51,840 people in that field people who are 922 00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:53,159 trained remote viewers and have 923 00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,260 connections with some legitimate big 924 00:33:59,690 --> 00:33:58,080 names I think uh yeah I think there's 925 00:34:01,370 --> 00:33:59,700 definitely something there but it's kind 926 00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,380 of spooky when you start reading some of 927 00:34:05,870 --> 00:34:03,120 the things that they've seen again 928 00:34:08,030 --> 00:34:05,880 underground bases bases on the moon you 929 00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:08,040 know they talk about going somewhere and 930 00:34:11,450 --> 00:34:09,540 seeing entities and then the entities 931 00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:11,460 become aware they're being watched like 932 00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:13,020 it can get pretty dark when you start 933 00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:15,780 going down that yeah yeah which is then 934 00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:17,280 and of course that takes you takes you 935 00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:23,750 the possibility that that you know 936 00:34:25,970 --> 00:34:24,359 um 937 00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:25,980 that what people experience when they do 938 00:34:32,089 --> 00:34:29,820 DMT might be connected to the UFO uh 939 00:34:33,770 --> 00:34:32,099 phenomenon that the you know the 940 00:34:37,010 --> 00:34:33,780 entities that are experienced there may 941 00:34:38,930 --> 00:34:37,020 may have a baby tied into all of this so 942 00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:38,940 in you know very much 943 00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:42,720 uh Consciousness may be at the root of 944 00:34:48,530 --> 00:34:46,020 of uh of all of this right you know and 945 00:34:50,270 --> 00:34:48,540 and I mean was it this Donald Hoffman 946 00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,280 who's been doing his studies 947 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:52,740 about Evolution where he believes that 948 00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:54,720 uh Evolution not only did Evolution not 949 00:35:01,390 --> 00:34:56,280 uh 950 00:35:05,150 --> 00:35:01,400 allow us to perceive reality as it is 951 00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:05,160 that uh Evolution actually prevents us 952 00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,260 from seeing reality as it is because 953 00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:10,079 there's no uh Fitness outcome to it 954 00:35:15,770 --> 00:35:13,500 there's no need to see reality right and 955 00:35:19,069 --> 00:35:15,780 all we all we we only need senses to get 956 00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:19,079 us uh you know and to let us know if a 957 00:35:22,190 --> 00:35:20,520 tiger is going to eat us to let us know 958 00:35:24,109 --> 00:35:22,200 if there's something we can eat and if 959 00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:24,119 there's someone we can mate with 960 00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:25,740 and that's those are the only or the 961 00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,380 other way around right yeah yeah so 962 00:35:32,210 --> 00:35:29,760 that's the only senses those are the 963 00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:32,220 only things we need senses for right so 964 00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,960 so we you know 965 00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:35,760 and he you know and he and I don't 966 00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:37,380 understand his theory but he thinks that 967 00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:40,920 the the base unit of of reality is 968 00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:43,740 conscious entities and I have no idea 969 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,780 what that means or what he's talking 970 00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:47,280 about and I've heard him talk about it 971 00:35:51,470 --> 00:35:49,440 several times and I still don't get it 972 00:35:53,930 --> 00:35:51,480 but that he believes that space and time 973 00:35:56,450 --> 00:35:53,940 space-time is not uh fundamental to the 974 00:35:58,609 --> 00:35:56,460 universe but that Consciousness is 975 00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,619 fundamental to the universe 976 00:36:02,329 --> 00:36:00,240 which is interesting 977 00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:02,339 and I love that theory because what if 978 00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:04,380 it is a natural progression of the 979 00:36:08,750 --> 00:36:06,780 universe is that it creates life life 980 00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,760 creates Consciousness and Consciousness 981 00:36:13,069 --> 00:36:11,520 whatever you know Evolution we're 982 00:36:15,410 --> 00:36:13,079 dealing with that you know because I'm 983 00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:15,420 curious as to your thoughts on this but 984 00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:16,320 if 985 00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:23,400 um civilizations out there right what do 986 00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,720 you think we're dealing with like if 987 00:36:28,490 --> 00:36:26,400 this is complex 988 00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:28,500 and everything looks like magic to us we 989 00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:30,060 can't wrap our head around it like what 990 00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:31,740 class of civilization do you think we're 991 00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:33,300 dealing with 992 00:36:38,210 --> 00:36:36,420 oh gosh I don't know what is well 993 00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:38,220 you're talking Kardashian scale right 994 00:36:42,109 --> 00:36:40,260 Jason I think so like you're saying if 995 00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:42,119 you're class five you can manipulate the 996 00:36:46,910 --> 00:36:44,820 universe to your will and yeah we're a 997 00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,920 level zero yeah we're not even class one 998 00:36:51,710 --> 00:36:49,920 no yeah no yes so class one is where you 999 00:36:54,010 --> 00:36:51,720 can control all the energy on the planet 1000 00:36:56,450 --> 00:36:54,020 yeah right right 1001 00:36:58,730 --> 00:36:56,460 and then plus two you control all the 1002 00:37:00,290 --> 00:36:58,740 energy of your son yeah and that's what 1003 00:37:01,790 --> 00:37:00,300 the things like Dyson spheres and 1004 00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:01,800 theories like you know mechanical 1005 00:37:06,109 --> 00:37:04,440 structures around a star that's a class 1006 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,119 too and then class three is all the 1007 00:37:09,890 --> 00:37:08,400 power in the galaxy and it goes from 1008 00:37:12,349 --> 00:37:09,900 there right I mean it's all theoretical 1009 00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:12,359 but yeah we are not even a class one in 1010 00:37:17,089 --> 00:37:13,800 the grand scheme of things 1011 00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:17,099 yeah no and definitely I think 1012 00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:18,599 um because that's the thing with the UFO 1013 00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:21,300 thing you know and also look so many 1014 00:37:24,890 --> 00:37:22,800 things so so many things that fall into 1015 00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:24,900 the category of paranormal there's the 1016 00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,760 attitude of a 1017 00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:28,800 this is something that this is something 1018 00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:31,440 that can't happen so it isn't happening 1019 00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:33,180 so the same thing with like psychic 1020 00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:34,980 phenomena it can't happen so it isn't 1021 00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:37,500 even even if there's you know 1022 00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:39,300 the the amount of even if it's just 1023 00:37:42,829 --> 00:37:41,160 anecdotal evidence even if you know it's 1024 00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:42,839 an overwhelming amount of anecdotal 1025 00:37:46,730 --> 00:37:44,400 evidence 1026 00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:46,740 um the attitude of science is just that 1027 00:37:51,410 --> 00:37:49,140 uh and and this we still have this 1028 00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:51,420 notion that we still keep thinking in 1029 00:37:56,089 --> 00:37:55,079 terms of human scales that's right 1030 00:37:58,670 --> 00:37:56,099 um you know it's like people keep 1031 00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,680 wanting you know bringing up you know 1032 00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,240 people keep bringing up the Fermi 1033 00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:03,359 Paradox even now which really you can 1034 00:38:06,890 --> 00:38:05,099 sort of go well all right but that 1035 00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:06,900 Paradox kind of falls apart if there's 1036 00:38:10,849 --> 00:38:08,520 UFOs 1037 00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:10,859 yeah you know where is everyone well 1038 00:38:15,530 --> 00:38:12,599 people keep telling you where they are 1039 00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:15,540 they're here they're they're hovering 1040 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,180 over nuclear missile bases they're uh 1041 00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,160 they're splashing into the ocean next to 1042 00:38:25,730 --> 00:38:23,220 uh you know aircraft carriers 1043 00:38:27,829 --> 00:38:25,740 um they're all over the place 1044 00:38:30,770 --> 00:38:27,839 um but the attitude is still well it it 1045 00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,780 can't be happening so it isn't right no 1046 00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:33,359 matter how many times they're told it is 1047 00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:36,180 happening they'll just you know 1048 00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:37,859 and you go through go through any sort 1049 00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:39,780 of any kind of you know uh 1050 00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:43,980 uh just tortured debunking theories you 1051 00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:46,800 know of of how somehow every every 1052 00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:50,880 single the the top you know uh 1053 00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:53,099 surveillance systems in the world all 1054 00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:55,619 glitch at the exact right time endings 1055 00:38:59,329 --> 00:38:57,240 and in complete synchrony with 1056 00:39:01,190 --> 00:38:59,339 eyewitnesses 1057 00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:01,200 um and the glitch just happens to pump 1058 00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:03,180 out data that totally supports the 1059 00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:05,880 eyewitness accounts and the and the on 1060 00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:09,119 Craft you know flear footage so it's you 1061 00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:10,800 have to believe that everything went 1062 00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:12,839 wrong at the same time in the same way 1063 00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,880 and that all the people involved all had 1064 00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:16,440 the exact same hallucination or 1065 00:39:21,050 --> 00:39:18,060 misidentification 1066 00:39:22,849 --> 00:39:21,060 yeah right and that's considered more 1067 00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:22,859 plausible and they'll call that outcomes 1068 00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:24,780 razor which is it's the exact opposite 1069 00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:26,579 set of outcomes razor outcomes razor 1070 00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,480 says 1071 00:39:30,890 --> 00:39:29,520 probably the simplest answer is they saw 1072 00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:30,900 what they saw 1073 00:39:35,150 --> 00:39:32,460 yeah right 1074 00:39:36,829 --> 00:39:35,160 and no matter the uh Observer like you 1075 00:39:38,990 --> 00:39:36,839 mentioned doesn't matter the credentials 1076 00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:39,000 of the individual like we have fighter 1077 00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:40,920 pilots these people are trained to 1078 00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:43,980 defend countries and drop bombs on 1079 00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,200 people these are highly trained military 1080 00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,720 people millions of dollars spent on 1081 00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,640 their like learning to observe and stuff 1082 00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,079 like that and they see something well 1083 00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:54,540 like well let's be seagulls 1084 00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,540 yeah like that that baffles me and like 1085 00:40:00,829 --> 00:39:59,520 even Louis and I always can't uh talk 1086 00:40:03,050 --> 00:40:00,839 about this but they'll always have like 1087 00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:03,060 an expert on like you know Gary Nolan 1088 00:40:06,349 --> 00:40:04,859 and then some guy who just disagrees 1089 00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:06,359 with it but doesn't have the same level 1090 00:40:10,910 --> 00:40:09,000 of credentials at all no and well and 1091 00:40:13,069 --> 00:40:10,920 that's the thing is the uh and the 1092 00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:13,079 people like to trot out the notion uh 1093 00:40:16,310 --> 00:40:14,820 well you know eyewitness testimony is 1094 00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:16,320 the worst kind of evidence 1095 00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:18,900 and and they're right when you're 1096 00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:19,980 talking about 1097 00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,579 um 1098 00:40:24,650 --> 00:40:22,800 uh a bank robbery you're in a bank 1099 00:40:27,349 --> 00:40:24,660 people run in with guns and they hold up 1100 00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:27,359 a bank yes your eyewitness testimony is 1101 00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,400 going to be flawed because of adrenaline 1102 00:40:33,470 --> 00:40:31,200 and fear and you're not you're not 1103 00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,480 taking the time to observe the data as 1104 00:40:38,270 --> 00:40:35,760 it's coming through uh so yeah that kind 1105 00:40:39,050 --> 00:40:38,280 of eyewitness testimony isn't great uh 1106 00:40:42,770 --> 00:40:39,060 but 1107 00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:42,780 walked through a park and then after I 1108 00:40:47,089 --> 00:40:44,760 walk the park you ask me all right how 1109 00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:47,099 what uh what kind of what kind of 1110 00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:49,260 vegetation did you see in the park and I 1111 00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:50,820 go oh well there was some trees there's 1112 00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:53,160 a I guess somewhere deciduous some were 1113 00:40:57,650 --> 00:40:55,140 conifers I think there was a palm tree 1114 00:40:59,210 --> 00:40:57,660 there was grass and some shrubs so 1115 00:41:01,069 --> 00:40:59,220 that's my eyewitness a cat walking 1116 00:41:07,010 --> 00:41:01,079 through the park 1117 00:41:09,470 --> 00:41:07,020 um but if you have uh uh it trained uh 1118 00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:09,480 biologists walked through the park you 1119 00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:11,400 know uh they're gonna have a different 1120 00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:13,020 eyewitness account it's going to be a 1121 00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:15,300 lot more detailed you know they're gonna 1122 00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:17,880 and so so expert with expert 1123 00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:20,339 eyewitnesses it is different it is 1124 00:41:24,230 --> 00:41:21,960 quantitatively different 1125 00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,240 so yes eyewitness testimony is flawed 1126 00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:26,960 but when you're trained as you said 1127 00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,859 except so much training and they're 1128 00:41:31,730 --> 00:41:30,119 training they're trained to know what 1129 00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:31,740 should be in the sky because if they 1130 00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:34,800 don't know they get killed right right 1131 00:41:38,510 --> 00:41:36,780 that's their job is to go up and kill 1132 00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:38,520 other people and not get killed 1133 00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:39,900 themselves 1134 00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:42,839 you know so it's very serious work yeah 1135 00:41:47,450 --> 00:41:45,060 and I went to maintenance too right 1136 00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:47,460 Louis like the like these guys they do 1137 00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:49,920 maintenances on their eyes like they get 1138 00:41:54,290 --> 00:41:52,920 checked all the time so yeah yeah and 1139 00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:54,300 they go into they go into every 1140 00:41:57,770 --> 00:41:55,800 operation knowing they're going to be 1141 00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,780 debriefed at the end of it 1142 00:42:01,370 --> 00:42:00,000 like you know normal eyewitness accounts 1143 00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:01,380 you don't have that you don't you don't 1144 00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,760 go well today I'm gonna go out and 1145 00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:05,460 witness a bank robbery right I better be 1146 00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:07,740 prepared but they're prepared they know 1147 00:42:11,569 --> 00:42:08,880 they're going to be debriefed after 1148 00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:11,579 that's right they fly yeah and even in 1149 00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:12,780 their day-to-day lives those military 1150 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:14,520 guys they seem to always have a 1151 00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:15,960 situational awareness they're always 1152 00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:18,180 looking for an exit it's just in their 1153 00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:20,040 training and you know we talk about 1154 00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,380 eyewitness testimony conveniently in the 1155 00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,720 UFO topic it doesn't count but we've 1156 00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:26,160 been convicting people and putting them 1157 00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,740 to death in courts of law based on one 1158 00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,960 or two people's eyewitness testimony for 1159 00:42:35,569 --> 00:42:33,599 hundreds if not thousands of years if 10 1160 00:42:37,609 --> 00:42:35,579 people stand in a line and say that guy 1161 00:42:39,950 --> 00:42:37,619 killed that dude you're going to jail 1162 00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:39,960 for life like and we will all accept it 1163 00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:42,180 that yeah even a jury like we believe 1164 00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:45,240 enough opinions we go with the majority 1165 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,680 right but when it comes to this 1166 00:42:51,170 --> 00:42:49,200 phenomenon you get thousands hundreds of 1167 00:42:53,390 --> 00:42:51,180 thousands maybe even millions of reports 1168 00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:53,400 but oh you just can't even the arrow 1169 00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,839 hearing is saying the same thing like 1170 00:42:58,370 --> 00:42:56,400 they want to start a public-facing 1171 00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:58,380 version of this but they're like but you 1172 00:43:02,690 --> 00:42:59,520 know we got to be careful because 1173 00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:02,700 otherwise anyone with a camera dot dot 1174 00:43:06,230 --> 00:43:04,200 dot so what everyone who's caught some 1175 00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,240 something they're all idiots with a 1176 00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,920 camera like that's insulting to these 1177 00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,839 people who have had these experiences I 1178 00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:11,119 know that's the other amazing these 1179 00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:13,380 people keep saying that you know 1180 00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:15,000 everyone's got these high definition 1181 00:43:18,050 --> 00:43:16,560 cameras in their pockets now how come 1182 00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:18,060 we're not getting better pictures but 1183 00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:19,319 then when you see the pictures taken by 1184 00:43:22,970 --> 00:43:20,819 high definition cameras that are in our 1185 00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:22,980 pockets they aren't that good yeah why 1186 00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:24,540 do you keep saying you know we should 1187 00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,740 have better pictures when we're showing 1188 00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:28,079 you these are the pictures these cameras 1189 00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:29,700 aren't built to take pictures of UFOs 1190 00:43:32,750 --> 00:43:31,380 like try to take a picture of an 1191 00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:32,760 airplane in the sky it won't look like 1192 00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:35,220 anything yeah try to take a picture of 1193 00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:36,900 the full moon you'll never be able to 1194 00:43:40,670 --> 00:43:38,880 convince anyone the moon exists based on 1195 00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:40,680 the point good point and that happened 1196 00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,720 to me last October there was a light in 1197 00:43:46,609 --> 00:43:45,060 the sky it was there for I don't know 1198 00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,619 five minutes I didn't think anything of 1199 00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,480 it came back 20 minutes later still 1200 00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,640 there so I called Jason film this thing 1201 00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,440 real time he checks all the air traffic 1202 00:43:56,450 --> 00:43:54,480 he's like there's a windstorm happening 1203 00:43:57,890 --> 00:43:56,460 all the planes are grounded like what 1204 00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,900 the hell is that thing and we're filming 1205 00:44:02,210 --> 00:44:00,000 this for 40 minutes and I'm trying to 1206 00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:02,220 get video and picture and the camera 1207 00:44:06,890 --> 00:44:04,140 does not like it I can see it clear 1208 00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:06,900 serious day it's an orange ring it's got 1209 00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:08,760 to be you know way bigger than a plane 1210 00:44:12,650 --> 00:44:11,220 based on the distance that it was at and 1211 00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:12,660 as soon as it would try to focus it 1212 00:44:16,130 --> 00:44:14,280 would do that sort of zoom in zoom out 1213 00:44:19,010 --> 00:44:16,140 and then you get those distortions like 1214 00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:19,020 everybody else's video it's either that 1215 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:21,420 it's just too dim for the aperture of 1216 00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:22,920 the camera I have a fairly good phone 1217 00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:24,540 and camera so it's not you know a 1218 00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:27,000 hardware issue but I think maybe it's 1219 00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:28,619 just we're not supposed to see it you 1220 00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:30,420 mentioned your sighting neither one of 1221 00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:31,680 you had a thought to even grab your 1222 00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,260 phone yeah you know a lot of people say 1223 00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,480 the same thing so maybe we can't get the 1224 00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:38,579 footage that we think we can get you 1225 00:44:44,569 --> 00:44:42,119 know yeah you know definitely I think uh 1226 00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,579 I think whatever's in the sky has full 1227 00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:46,440 control over when and how it's it's 1228 00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:49,260 viewed yeah right you know and 1229 00:44:52,849 --> 00:44:51,119 especially you look at the you know this 1230 00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,859 the settings that Ryan Graves talk was 1231 00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:54,480 talking about off the east coast and 1232 00:44:57,770 --> 00:44:56,339 they said I mean most of the time these 1233 00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:57,780 things would be on their radar they 1234 00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:00,660 could see them in the in um an infrared 1235 00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:03,180 but they were invisible to the naked eye 1236 00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:06,300 yeah and and again with the debunkers 1237 00:45:10,010 --> 00:45:07,740 they go we'll see that's proof it wasn't 1238 00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,020 there no that's proof this is weirder 1239 00:45:16,609 --> 00:45:12,720 than that these things can be invisible 1240 00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,619 but be detected on other systems and 1241 00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,960 then at will can be visible 1242 00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:21,359 they seem to be able to choose whether 1243 00:45:25,309 --> 00:45:23,040 to be visible to be seen in visible 1244 00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,319 light or not right 1245 00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:28,319 um so the fact that the fact you know 1246 00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:30,599 the fact that something uh isn't seen by 1247 00:45:34,730 --> 00:45:32,880 the naked eye shouldn't make it suddenly 1248 00:45:37,010 --> 00:45:34,740 oh there see there's nothing to this 1249 00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:37,020 that should be this should spark you to 1250 00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,520 go this is weirder 1251 00:45:42,050 --> 00:45:40,560 yeah there's lots of things we can't see 1252 00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:42,060 we can't hear doesn't mean they're not 1253 00:45:46,130 --> 00:45:44,040 there I mean you don't see radio waves 1254 00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,140 but you can tune into a radio station so 1255 00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:48,000 seeing is not necessarily believing 1256 00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:50,880 because we're limited by our senses we 1257 00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,619 are essentially just evolved animals 1258 00:45:57,050 --> 00:45:54,660 whether it was intentional involvement 1259 00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:57,060 or not that's a different opinion but we 1260 00:46:01,550 --> 00:45:59,040 are basically animals and to your point 1261 00:46:03,530 --> 00:46:01,560 earlier very narrow band yeah we're 1262 00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:03,540 built for hunting and foraging so if it 1263 00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:05,819 doesn't suit survival or eating 1264 00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:07,619 something or preventing yourself from 1265 00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:10,440 getting eaten or reproducing you know it 1266 00:46:14,750 --> 00:46:12,540 we didn't need it essentially right so 1267 00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:14,760 we're fairly poor observers in the grand 1268 00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:16,740 scheme of things you know even bees can 1269 00:46:22,250 --> 00:46:19,500 see infrared and they see ultraviolet 1270 00:46:23,870 --> 00:46:22,260 and we can bats bats have a 360 degree 1271 00:46:26,329 --> 00:46:23,880 view of their environment from 1272 00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:26,339 echolocation that's crazy yeah you know 1273 00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:29,640 they they see everything at once 1274 00:46:35,809 --> 00:46:32,339 that's not through sound sound that 1275 00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:35,819 turns into Vision yeah so we're very 1276 00:46:40,010 --> 00:46:38,040 limited as a species on what we're able 1277 00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:40,020 to like even germs we didn't know germs 1278 00:46:44,690 --> 00:46:42,359 existed now we got microscopes we could 1279 00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,700 look into their world it's probably the 1280 00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:46,319 same thing with this phenomenon and 1281 00:46:50,809 --> 00:46:48,540 we're the germs right and and the 1282 00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:50,819 experts debunked germs when they when 1283 00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,920 they were discovered you know we fight 1284 00:46:57,050 --> 00:46:54,720 everything yeah it was the experts that 1285 00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:57,060 would you know ostentatiously refuse to 1286 00:47:02,809 --> 00:47:00,540 wash their hands in the surgery you know 1287 00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:02,819 um and uh we're doing the debunking they 1288 00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:06,060 were the Skeptics of their time yeah so 1289 00:47:10,130 --> 00:47:08,339 it's you know the uh 1290 00:47:13,309 --> 00:47:10,140 yeah the the 1291 00:47:15,770 --> 00:47:13,319 expert debunking is uh should be should 1292 00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,780 be looked at cynically I think 1293 00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:17,460 what are your thoughts on Skeptics 1294 00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,380 versus debunkers because I'm okay with 1295 00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:21,119 Skeptics the skeptic is someone with a 1296 00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,040 different opinion but they're willing to 1297 00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:25,920 hear information a debunker to me anyway 1298 00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:27,720 has their mind made up doesn't matter 1299 00:47:32,410 --> 00:47:29,220 what you tell them what evidence you 1300 00:47:35,690 --> 00:47:32,420 provide no it's like this end of story 1301 00:47:43,450 --> 00:47:35,700 yeah well the term debunking implies you 1302 00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:46,670 they're gonna get rid of this bunk 1303 00:47:51,230 --> 00:47:49,680 um and yeah it's it's it is a notion 1304 00:47:53,809 --> 00:47:51,240 again it comes from that notion this 1305 00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:53,819 can't be happening so it isn't so 1306 00:47:59,630 --> 00:47:56,640 all I only if they can find one element 1307 00:48:02,030 --> 00:47:59,640 of an incident that they can replicate 1308 00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:02,040 in some other means you know like if you 1309 00:48:06,290 --> 00:48:04,440 can again it's like I could you know I 1310 00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:06,300 could hang a paper plate from a string 1311 00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,619 and take a picture of it and make it 1312 00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,839 look exactly like the moon but that 1313 00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:11,640 doesn't mean I've proven that the moon 1314 00:48:17,329 --> 00:48:14,940 doesn't exist right so you so if you can 1315 00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:17,339 if you can create a similar effect by 1316 00:48:22,250 --> 00:48:20,819 other means that in no way means that uh 1317 00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,260 you've proven 1318 00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,480 that that's what happened you know it's 1319 00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,400 like you know I don't I don't even like 1320 00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:28,319 to amplify him by saying his name but 1321 00:48:34,910 --> 00:48:30,180 but you I think the only guy I'm talking 1322 00:48:37,790 --> 00:48:34,920 about we just uh yeah yeah and he's and 1323 00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:37,800 it's just it's dishonest because it is 1324 00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:39,180 it's 1325 00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,760 they they all deliberately narrow their 1326 00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:43,440 their aperture to the point where they 1327 00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,980 can they can plausibly explain one 1328 00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:48,720 element of something 1329 00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:52,200 and and they ignore every all any kind 1330 00:48:56,329 --> 00:48:54,060 of corroborating data that says that 1331 00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:56,339 they're debunking is false right you 1332 00:49:02,390 --> 00:48:58,740 know like any of the data any of the you 1333 00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:02,400 know radar data uh eyewitness testimony 1334 00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:05,819 um you know infrared uh footage that 1335 00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:07,859 will ignore anything that doesn't fit 1336 00:49:13,130 --> 00:49:10,500 the one thing they can explain 1337 00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,140 right grab the one snippet and throw out 1338 00:49:17,329 --> 00:49:15,119 everything else right yeah and it's 1339 00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:17,339 almost crazy here to move the stars out 1340 00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:19,260 of the way to fit the debunker story 1341 00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,720 then the original UFO sighting story in 1342 00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,520 the first place that is less crazy when 1343 00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:25,920 you look at what rationale is involved 1344 00:49:30,650 --> 00:49:28,079 with making that square peg fit in a 1345 00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:30,660 round hole for the debunker yes and you 1346 00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,880 know and and claiming things like that 1347 00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:35,760 uh trained Navy cruise 1348 00:49:41,870 --> 00:49:38,220 who working at the night shift 1349 00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:41,880 out in the ocean where the sky is very 1350 00:49:47,210 --> 00:49:45,420 very clear the sky is on top of you uh 1351 00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:47,220 you know a nice guy with no with no 1352 00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:48,540 light pollution 1353 00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:50,339 and these so these people are very very 1354 00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:53,400 familiar with this guy so claiming that 1355 00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:56,520 these people suddenly one night mistake 1356 00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,420 stars for UFOs yeah that the the Stars 1357 00:50:04,849 --> 00:50:01,920 they've been looking at every night for 1358 00:50:06,410 --> 00:50:04,859 their entire Mission but tonight they 1359 00:50:09,710 --> 00:50:06,420 can't tell the difference between stars 1360 00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,720 in the sky and objects moving a thousand 1361 00:50:14,270 --> 00:50:11,940 feet from their ship they can't tell the 1362 00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,280 difference and make it 90 degree turns 1363 00:50:19,130 --> 00:50:16,859 yeah yeah and they all have went crazy 1364 00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:19,140 the same time the entire Battleship went 1365 00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:21,660 nuts yeah yes yeah yeah yes several 1366 00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:25,619 ships yeah that's right yeah 1367 00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,579 yeah the uh the the the 2019 swarming 1368 00:50:34,190 --> 00:50:31,920 you know and and even then they you know 1369 00:50:36,890 --> 00:50:34,200 they'll they'll say oh it was Chinese 1370 00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,900 drones come from a merchant vessel 1371 00:50:40,309 --> 00:50:38,640 and you go well if that's the case we've 1372 00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:40,319 seen what happens when the Chinese have 1373 00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,420 uh something in our sky and we know it's 1374 00:50:46,730 --> 00:50:44,160 Chinese we saw this Bible and that's 1375 00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:46,740 what happens wall-to-wall coverage it 1376 00:50:52,670 --> 00:50:49,500 gets shot down you know it visits 1377 00:50:54,290 --> 00:50:52,680 diplomatic visits to China are canceled 1378 00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:54,300 um you know it's a blood of upper when 1379 00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:55,940 we know it's Chinese 1380 00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:58,740 uh but the uh 1381 00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:01,020 but the uh because it was the Russell 1382 00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:04,260 right the USS Russell uh it's and and 1383 00:51:10,370 --> 00:51:07,020 and about a dozen other ships by the way 1384 00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:10,380 they're sworn by hundreds of things 1385 00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:13,140 and there's no press coverage no press 1386 00:51:18,829 --> 00:51:16,319 you know no press conferences 1387 00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:18,839 um just quietly leaving it to the 1388 00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:20,040 debunkers 1389 00:51:27,530 --> 00:51:24,359 to say oh they they mistook Stars 1390 00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:27,540 it's like swamp gas 3.0 yeah yeah yeah 1391 00:51:33,230 --> 00:51:30,599 yeah yeah it's absurd and it's an insult 1392 00:51:35,390 --> 00:51:33,240 to these professionals I mean uh we 1393 00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,400 often say that it's no disclosure won't 1394 00:51:38,809 --> 00:51:37,440 come from a government organization 1395 00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:38,819 that's going to Spill the Beans it's 1396 00:51:42,230 --> 00:51:40,140 going to be people that serve their 1397 00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:42,240 country regardless of what country it is 1398 00:51:47,630 --> 00:51:44,460 whether it's Canada United States or 1399 00:51:49,490 --> 00:51:47,640 Uganda people stepping up and uh by the 1400 00:51:51,470 --> 00:51:49,500 way Uganda you never hear anything UFO 1401 00:51:54,109 --> 00:51:51,480 related they're up to something 1402 00:51:56,569 --> 00:51:54,119 um yeah but it's uh you know it's crazy 1403 00:51:59,089 --> 00:51:56,579 it takes the whole world to look into 1404 00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:59,099 this like scientists law enforcement 1405 00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:00,660 like we have all these people that are 1406 00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:02,880 like we you know even doctors you go to 1407 00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,200 your doctor your doctor tells you look 1408 00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,760 you got cancer 1409 00:52:10,970 --> 00:52:08,160 you take it for what you know you take 1410 00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:10,980 is is uh diagnosis seriously but if he 1411 00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,540 says you know what like sometimes I wake 1412 00:52:15,290 --> 00:52:13,680 up middle of the night and there's three 1413 00:52:17,809 --> 00:52:15,300 little entities at the end of my bed and 1414 00:52:20,049 --> 00:52:17,819 then I don't remember anything the guys 1415 00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:20,059 are quack right yeah 1416 00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,160 yeah exactly we don't weigh these 1417 00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,160 experiences and uh for me personally I 1418 00:52:30,349 --> 00:52:27,839 think the abduction phenomenon is like 1419 00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:30,359 our first step because that's where we 1420 00:52:33,950 --> 00:52:32,280 should look what are they doing with us 1421 00:52:36,109 --> 00:52:33,960 right and these people are telling us 1422 00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:36,119 look this is what is happening okay then 1423 00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:37,800 secondaries whether what is their 1424 00:52:41,569 --> 00:52:39,900 technology capable of doing but their 1425 00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:41,579 interaction with us globally 1426 00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:43,380 individually 1427 00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:46,260 affects us and the government and 1428 00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:48,780 religious organizations and Military can 1429 00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:51,900 do can't solve the issue this is a 1430 00:52:56,270 --> 00:52:54,720 humanitarian issue which we all face and 1431 00:52:57,470 --> 00:52:56,280 prevent it we can't explain it we can't 1432 00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,480 uh 1433 00:53:02,630 --> 00:52:59,040 but we can 1434 00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:02,640 not add to the cruelty you know good 1435 00:53:09,470 --> 00:53:05,339 point I think we can do that we can we 1436 00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:09,480 cannot make people's lives worse 1437 00:53:13,309 --> 00:53:10,500 um you know that's something I think 1438 00:53:15,230 --> 00:53:13,319 that you know again going back to the 1439 00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:15,240 debunkers it's not harmless 1440 00:53:20,690 --> 00:53:18,119 these debunking it's not it's not 1441 00:53:22,609 --> 00:53:20,700 harmless at all it's harmful to people 1442 00:53:26,089 --> 00:53:22,619 who have had experiences and seen things 1443 00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:26,099 and no no they aren't crazy and who live 1444 00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,619 in fear of talking about it and live in 1445 00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:30,420 fear of 1446 00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:32,040 um you know of either you know losing 1447 00:53:36,430 --> 00:53:35,040 friends or being ridiculed by family or 1448 00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:36,440 losing jobs 1449 00:53:40,609 --> 00:53:39,240 uh having careers destroyed you know 1450 00:53:41,690 --> 00:53:40,619 it's like your doctor yeah your doctor 1451 00:53:43,609 --> 00:53:41,700 isn't going to talk about it because 1452 00:53:47,089 --> 00:53:43,619 he's going to lose patience 1453 00:53:49,609 --> 00:53:47,099 right yeah so it's it's not it's it 1454 00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:49,619 really isn't it isn't harmless 1455 00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:52,260 yeah what do you make of the very sort 1456 00:53:55,849 --> 00:53:54,300 of assortment of things associated with 1457 00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,859 the phenomenon I mean it's not just nuts 1458 00:54:00,109 --> 00:53:57,839 and bolts craft anymore there's orbs 1459 00:54:01,670 --> 00:54:00,119 there's talk of crippit Cryptids and 1460 00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:01,680 different creatures and everything else 1461 00:54:05,569 --> 00:54:04,140 there's the quote-unquote woo but yeah 1462 00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:05,579 like what do you make of all the even 1463 00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:07,440 Poltergeist like do you think these are 1464 00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:10,079 separate phenomenon all happening or do 1465 00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:11,520 you think they're somehow related when 1466 00:54:16,849 --> 00:54:14,640 you get into that invisible world it's 1467 00:54:19,010 --> 00:54:16,859 well I mean it seems like 1468 00:54:21,049 --> 00:54:19,020 it seems related and it does seem like 1469 00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:21,059 it's all connected and that various 1470 00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:23,520 elements of the Paranormal are tied into 1471 00:54:28,730 --> 00:54:26,940 this you know and it's you know said 1472 00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:28,740 like it's like once you once you become 1473 00:54:33,530 --> 00:54:32,160 untethered from certainty uh you drift 1474 00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:33,540 you drift through a lot of weird 1475 00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:34,859 subjects 1476 00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:37,140 you know and the rabbit hole as we'd 1477 00:54:43,309 --> 00:54:40,619 call it yeah and you know the um like I 1478 00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:43,319 imagine you guys probably read uh the 1479 00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:45,200 skin markers at the Pentagon yeah 1480 00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:47,760 Georgian George napps yeah we 1481 00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:49,260 interviewed them both after it came out 1482 00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:51,180 it was fascinating to talk to them and 1483 00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:53,460 the book was super well done yeah and 1484 00:54:56,690 --> 00:54:54,720 that was your series you know and 1485 00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:56,700 they're these are serious people and 1486 00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,800 they and all they're saying is they're 1487 00:55:01,430 --> 00:55:00,000 not saying they understand they know 1488 00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:01,440 what's going on but they're saying this 1489 00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,220 is happening you know you know so you 1490 00:55:11,930 --> 00:55:07,920 you know I mean what what do you do with 1491 00:55:14,270 --> 00:55:11,940 seven foot tall bipedal wolves showing 1492 00:55:15,890 --> 00:55:14,280 up in people's backyards yeah you know 1493 00:55:18,010 --> 00:55:15,900 over the hitchhiker effect right even 1494 00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:18,020 their wives start having weird 1495 00:55:23,329 --> 00:55:21,000 children yeah and it's it's almost like 1496 00:55:25,490 --> 00:55:23,339 even if they encountered a craft or a 1497 00:55:27,950 --> 00:55:25,500 being when The Hitchhiker comes through 1498 00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:27,960 it's almost always Poltergeist it's 1499 00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,059 weird bizarre things a lot less tangible 1500 00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:32,640 than the initial sighting so in my mind 1501 00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,319 anyway it shows that that's got to be 1502 00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:36,480 some kind of a link that you know and I 1503 00:55:39,049 --> 00:55:37,680 mentioned earlier I have a friend who's 1504 00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:39,059 into remote viewing and I asked them 1505 00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:40,559 like hey can you teach me to get into 1506 00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:41,940 this and it was like don't go there 1507 00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:44,220 don't try it you will get a hitchhiker 1508 00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:45,960 effect flat out even people that are 1509 00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:48,180 professionals trained and practiced at 1510 00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:50,579 this they have things happen and they 1511 00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:52,319 just want to get rid of it so like don't 1512 00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:54,059 go there unless you know what you're 1513 00:55:59,290 --> 00:55:55,500 doing although I want to go to 1514 00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:02,329 nowadays you got to go around the TV 1515 00:56:07,130 --> 00:56:04,980 crew that's all there nowadays yeah you 1516 00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:07,140 probably he could get on there yeah I'd 1517 00:56:10,190 --> 00:56:08,700 like to go well I'm friends with well 1518 00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:10,200 I'm friends with George and Jeremy so 1519 00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:11,940 they have that's true there you could 1520 00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,380 pull those strings plus you're you know 1521 00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:15,119 you're a celebrity so it's you could 1522 00:56:21,230 --> 00:56:19,140 yeah right yeah exactly yeah I um I 1523 00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:21,240 think it's funny when they have the UFO 1524 00:56:24,770 --> 00:56:22,559 cons and stuff like that and they'll 1525 00:56:29,450 --> 00:56:24,780 have win a trip to go camping with 1526 00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,460 Travis Walton or uh uh yeah any of those 1527 00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:31,920 abductees right uh like Whitley streamer 1528 00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:34,740 I'm like why would you go camping you're 1529 00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:36,660 risking something right yeah yeah 1530 00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:38,280 there's something going on around these 1531 00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:40,800 people Yeah well yeah and I was going to 1532 00:56:45,770 --> 00:56:42,480 mention too like the NASA was mentioning 1533 00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:45,780 that orbs are Global right that it is a 1534 00:56:48,650 --> 00:56:47,220 global phenomenon they don't know what 1535 00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,660 it is but they're dismissing that it 1536 00:56:51,770 --> 00:56:50,400 could be aliens of course which to me is 1537 00:56:54,589 --> 00:56:51,780 like okay well if we don't know that 1538 00:56:57,290 --> 00:56:54,599 it's human what else could it be right 1539 00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,300 yeah and we do and we do know that it 1540 00:57:02,510 --> 00:56:59,520 isn't any of the major Nations 1541 00:57:04,490 --> 00:57:02,520 we know it isn't we know it isn't it 1542 00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:04,500 isn't the US it isn't Russia it isn't 1543 00:57:08,390 --> 00:57:06,720 China right because these things don't 1544 00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:08,400 crash if there were like drones crash 1545 00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:10,140 all the time but these things don't 1546 00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,059 crash they fly they maneuver they seem 1547 00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:14,160 to avoid obstacles like they're 1548 00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:15,780 intelligently controlled yet they're 1549 00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:17,880 like in the daytime they appear as 1550 00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:20,940 spheres that just move really really 1551 00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,380 fast I mean we've seen some pictures 1552 00:57:26,390 --> 00:57:24,960 writing videos of them flying by Jeremy 1553 00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:26,400 I think recently posted something 1554 00:57:31,309 --> 00:57:29,460 similar yeah that's happening over yeah 1555 00:57:33,829 --> 00:57:31,319 and it's crazy like what what do you 1556 00:57:36,170 --> 00:57:33,839 make of the orbs well that's the thing 1557 00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,180 that got me crazy made me crazy was the 1558 00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:38,640 uh the arrow hearing that 1559 00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:40,740 it was terrible 1560 00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:44,220 um but he actually showed a video of a 1561 00:57:48,470 --> 00:57:45,240 sphere 1562 00:57:51,770 --> 00:57:48,480 uh flying through a war zone in a way 1563 00:57:54,530 --> 00:57:51,780 that things can't fly you know that's 1564 00:57:57,710 --> 00:57:54,540 fear in the spirit it had no no means of 1565 00:58:00,530 --> 00:57:57,720 lift no control surfaces and it's 1566 00:58:01,150 --> 00:58:00,540 clearly traveling as 1567 00:58:02,690 --> 00:58:01,160 it's 1568 00:58:04,370 --> 00:58:02,700 directed 1569 00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,380 and at speed 1570 00:58:07,730 --> 00:58:06,480 through a battle Zone and that and it 1571 00:58:09,950 --> 00:58:07,740 was obviously significant enough that 1572 00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:09,960 that it was tracked by these you know uh 1573 00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:12,359 spy drones 1574 00:58:20,990 --> 00:58:16,380 um and so you know uh Kirkpatrick shows 1575 00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:21,000 this video and no one asks any questions 1576 00:58:24,109 --> 00:58:22,440 you know and he says well this is 1577 00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,119 currently an unexplained 1578 00:58:28,790 --> 00:58:26,160 and then they just move on it's like no 1579 00:58:30,829 --> 00:58:28,800 you know gillibrand nobody there said 1580 00:58:32,210 --> 00:58:30,839 well what is unexplained about this what 1581 00:58:34,790 --> 00:58:32,220 what do you know about it what data do 1582 00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:34,800 you have on it you know uh how is it 1583 00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:37,319 flying what's how what what speed would 1584 00:58:40,490 --> 00:58:39,180 you say it was traveling at you know not 1585 00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:40,500 one question 1586 00:58:47,030 --> 00:58:44,640 when he just showed them this sphere 1587 00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:47,040 flying through a war zone 1588 00:58:52,609 --> 00:58:48,900 that's crazy that was their chance right 1589 00:58:55,069 --> 00:58:52,619 yeah and and he admits it's unexplained 1590 00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:55,079 but no questions I don't under I can't 1591 00:58:59,809 --> 00:58:58,020 fathom that at all and no and no 1592 00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:59,819 follow-up from the Press like no one in 1593 00:59:03,410 --> 00:59:01,020 the Press is 1594 00:59:04,730 --> 00:59:03,420 basically it has there's been no 1595 00:59:06,829 --> 00:59:04,740 coverage of it 1596 00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:06,839 you know again endless coverage of the 1597 00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:10,200 stupid spy balloon right yeah 1598 00:59:14,809 --> 00:59:12,900 but nothing on this thing that he you 1599 00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:14,819 know the head of Arrow says they can't 1600 00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,000 explain and clearly this is a video of 1601 00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:19,440 something that should not be moving the 1602 00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:21,000 way it is 1603 00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:23,880 you know yeah you know and it clearly is 1604 00:59:28,250 --> 00:59:25,140 not a balloon 1605 00:59:30,890 --> 00:59:28,260 you know it's not moving in any way like 1606 00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:30,900 a balloon moves or swamp gas yeah or 1607 00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:32,819 swamp gas remember the first Arrow 1608 00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:35,099 hearing they showed a little video clip 1609 00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:36,660 of something it was just like a quick 1610 00:59:40,970 --> 00:59:39,180 zip they had to rewind it and it's like 1611 00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:40,980 that was I guess what they were trying 1612 00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,900 to say is this is the best we got like 1613 00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:44,880 these are the videos people are asking 1614 00:59:49,250 --> 00:59:46,680 us to enter you know it's a hint um yeah 1615 00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:49,260 investigate but you have to Tic Tac and 1616 00:59:53,329 --> 00:59:51,720 all these Pentagon released videos why 1617 00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:53,339 wouldn't they use that like they we know 1618 00:59:56,750 --> 00:59:55,140 they have footage we've seen the footage 1619 00:59:59,089 --> 00:59:56,760 and they have better versions of it 1620 01:00:01,250 --> 00:59:59,099 longer and better quality yeah but you 1621 01:00:03,230 --> 01:00:01,260 know when they put forward that as you 1622 01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:03,240 know it's almost again the Poke and I 1623 01:00:06,650 --> 01:00:04,799 and everybody who wants to see something 1624 01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:06,660 happen here it's kind of like hey 1625 01:00:10,849 --> 01:00:09,180 everybody we have to do this this is 1626 01:00:13,069 --> 01:00:10,859 what we're talking about you see how 1627 01:00:14,510 --> 01:00:13,079 stupid it is let's just move on to 1628 01:00:16,190 --> 01:00:14,520 something more important now that we've 1629 01:00:18,470 --> 01:00:16,200 given these guys you know they're 1630 01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:18,480 they're diminishing the effect and 1631 01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,420 what's actually going on yeah no it's a 1632 01:00:26,809 --> 01:00:23,819 great disservice and and it's and it's 1633 01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:26,819 not and it's great it's dishonest it's 1634 01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:28,980 you know I mean I think everyone at this 1635 01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:31,380 point knows that arrow is getting a lot 1636 01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,780 more information than they're than 1637 01:00:37,609 --> 01:00:36,000 they're feeding back to the public you 1638 01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:37,619 know you know hearing about these 1639 01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:39,180 whistleblowers that are going and giving 1640 01:00:44,270 --> 01:00:41,819 testimony well I mean we've all heard 1641 01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:44,280 Ryan Graves testimony David fravers and 1642 01:00:49,130 --> 01:00:46,559 Alex dietrich's testimony you know we 1643 01:00:51,230 --> 01:00:49,140 all know and basically anytime there's a 1644 01:00:54,109 --> 01:00:51,240 hearing anytime there's a hearing and 1645 01:00:56,450 --> 01:00:54,119 they don't talk about the Tic Tac uh 1646 01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:56,460 they're avoiding it I mean that should 1647 01:00:58,849 --> 01:00:57,599 be that should be questioned every 1648 01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,859 single time so what do you know now 1649 01:01:03,530 --> 01:01:00,720 about the Tic Tac how have you you know 1650 01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:03,540 what are you closer to explaining it you 1651 01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:06,000 know what's the data 1652 01:01:10,789 --> 01:01:09,119 you know and uh 1653 01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:10,799 so you know so if they yeah they keep 1654 01:01:14,030 --> 01:01:11,819 trying to come up with something that's 1655 01:01:16,250 --> 01:01:14,040 that's going to be boring for the public 1656 01:01:18,049 --> 01:01:16,260 yeah just keep trying to make it boring 1657 01:01:19,910 --> 01:01:18,059 for the public which is 1658 01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,920 you know exactly what the you know the 1659 01:01:24,130 --> 01:01:21,839 Robertson Commission 1660 01:01:27,710 --> 01:01:24,140 said they should do back in the 50s 1661 01:01:30,589 --> 01:01:27,720 demystify it debunk explain any any 1662 01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:30,599 mundane exploration explanation that you 1663 01:01:33,530 --> 01:01:32,160 can come up with will do 1664 01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:33,540 and we're still we're still in that 1665 01:01:38,270 --> 01:01:36,119 exact same space 1666 01:01:40,609 --> 01:01:38,280 um yeah what blows me away is like even 1667 01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:40,619 the Randall sham Forest incident or 1668 01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:43,020 these military personnel were right next 1669 01:01:46,549 --> 01:01:44,700 to the bloody craft and then you got 1670 01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,559 people no I was a White House not White 1671 01:01:51,650 --> 01:01:48,960 House a lighthouse yeah at the end it's 1672 01:01:53,870 --> 01:01:51,660 like yes yeah it's an insult yeah it's 1673 01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,880 an insult that these men and women and 1674 01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:55,440 the medical injuries of some of those 1675 01:01:59,510 --> 01:01:57,240 guys sustained to this day that are 1676 01:02:01,549 --> 01:01:59,520 still proof of something happening and 1677 01:02:04,069 --> 01:02:01,559 he finally got it on the record that you 1678 01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,079 know he was getting he finally got uh 1679 01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:06,960 and got paid for the day I'm almost 30 1680 01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,420 years to do it but yeah but yeah but 1681 01:02:13,609 --> 01:02:12,000 yeah seeing as a lighthouse so trained 1682 01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:13,619 trained professionals they make notes 1683 01:02:18,890 --> 01:02:16,319 they're up close enough to draw pictures 1684 01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:18,900 of what they're seeing 1685 01:02:25,789 --> 01:02:22,020 um and yeah but somehow recorder too 1686 01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,799 right yeah yeah is reporting it all but 1687 01:02:30,349 --> 01:02:27,599 somehow no it's 1688 01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:30,359 a lighthouse that they're all very 1689 01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:32,220 familiar with that they've seen every 1690 01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,119 night 1691 01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,280 that they've been on this base they know 1692 01:02:39,109 --> 01:02:37,680 this Lighthouse very well you know as I 1693 01:02:40,910 --> 01:02:39,119 remember Holt I think saying you know 1694 01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:40,920 I've I've got pictures of me standing 1695 01:02:43,309 --> 01:02:42,420 outside that Lighthouse I know that 1696 01:02:46,490 --> 01:02:43,319 lighthouse 1697 01:02:48,289 --> 01:02:46,500 it was nowhere near what we saw and you 1698 01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:48,299 know in a flashing light coming through 1699 01:02:51,470 --> 01:02:49,980 the woods is we're not good we're 1700 01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:51,480 professionals we're not going to mistake 1701 01:02:55,130 --> 01:02:52,200 it 1702 01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:55,140 for a triangular craft 1703 01:02:58,130 --> 01:02:57,480 you know in right in front of us you 1704 01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:58,140 know 1705 01:03:01,730 --> 01:02:59,940 and it gets weirder than that if you 1706 01:03:04,309 --> 01:03:01,740 look at the code that Jim peniston 1707 01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:04,319 supposedly got out of that a binary and 1708 01:03:07,670 --> 01:03:05,400 then it took I don't know how many 1709 01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:07,680 decades before somebody decoded it in 1710 01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:09,119 fact our next episode is with Gary 1711 01:03:12,410 --> 01:03:10,980 Osborne and he's going to break down 1712 01:03:14,809 --> 01:03:12,420 some of the stuff that come out of this 1713 01:03:16,910 --> 01:03:14,819 code but essentially there's a lot of 1714 01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:16,920 things both dealing with ancient history 1715 01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:19,740 and like sacred locations places that 1716 01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,720 are hot spots that we're just finding 1717 01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,520 out now that hey this all came out of 1718 01:03:27,530 --> 01:03:25,920 that code it's like they gave us that 30 1719 01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,540 years ago knowing we would need it now 1720 01:03:31,370 --> 01:03:29,760 right at the time it was decoded there's 1721 01:03:33,589 --> 01:03:31,380 a lot of spooky stuff that come out of 1722 01:03:36,109 --> 01:03:33,599 rendelsham not just a couple guys seeing 1723 01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,119 a lighthouse you know there's a lot more 1724 01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:38,880 to it yeah and even then I think I still 1725 01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:40,260 heard like Nicholas said well you know 1726 01:03:44,089 --> 01:03:41,700 Randall shimball there was a lighthouse 1727 01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:44,099 and that's you know right he doesn't 1728 01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:45,839 even want the details well I hear there 1729 01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:49,799 was a lighthouse yeah and so case closed 1730 01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:51,839 it's dumb and even uh was it John 1731 01:03:55,490 --> 01:03:53,400 Burroughs he still has to go to write 1732 01:03:57,950 --> 01:03:55,500 Patterson Air Force for the heart 1733 01:04:00,829 --> 01:03:57,960 condition that he received or got from 1734 01:04:02,569 --> 01:04:00,839 that craft yeah that's crazy that's a 1735 01:04:04,490 --> 01:04:02,579 crazy detail why isn't he allowed to go 1736 01:04:06,770 --> 01:04:04,500 to regular Hospital why does he have to 1737 01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:06,780 go to Wright-Patterson Air Force for 1738 01:04:12,410 --> 01:04:09,420 anything heart related yeah and his eye 1739 01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,420 too I believe that's true yeah and 1740 01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:13,920 that's that's a bit of detail that's 1741 01:04:18,589 --> 01:04:16,740 like very interesting right 1742 01:04:20,569 --> 01:04:18,599 um yeah so Tim burchett was actually on 1743 01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:20,579 our friend Christy Newton you were on 1744 01:04:24,829 --> 01:04:23,280 her podcast not too long ago and um all 1745 01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:24,839 rebelliously curious if you haven't 1746 01:04:28,430 --> 01:04:26,940 checked out that podcast please do uh 1747 01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:28,440 for our listeners 1748 01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:30,059 um but basically Tim Burchette had 1749 01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:31,380 mentioned something on the podcast that 1750 01:04:35,809 --> 01:04:32,640 really hit home and he was talking about 1751 01:04:37,549 --> 01:04:35,819 Washington DC and he said this town from 1752 01:04:41,270 --> 01:04:37,559 top to bottom and I'm paraphrasing here 1753 01:04:43,549 --> 01:04:41,280 uh is crooked broken and greedy 1754 01:04:45,349 --> 01:04:43,559 and that's the current state that 1755 01:04:47,150 --> 01:04:45,359 Washington is in and we're asking for 1756 01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,160 disclosure at the time where everybody's 1757 01:04:51,530 --> 01:04:49,920 just out on their own it's not about the 1758 01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,540 people it's about how can you further 1759 01:04:56,210 --> 01:04:54,000 your career in politics so it's an 1760 01:04:57,829 --> 01:04:56,220 interesting time in the states to see 1761 01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,839 what is happening and what they're 1762 01:05:01,549 --> 01:05:00,000 trying to accomplish but at the same 1763 01:05:04,210 --> 01:05:01,559 time they're dealing with some of the 1764 01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:04,220 worst corruption probably in U.S history 1765 01:05:10,250 --> 01:05:07,200 yeah I mean I I think it's always I mean 1766 01:05:13,549 --> 01:05:10,260 it's always been endemic to uh the 1767 01:05:15,770 --> 01:05:13,559 politics but certainly it's uh 1768 01:05:18,589 --> 01:05:15,780 and then I guess if there's anything to 1769 01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:18,599 be optimistic about it's the fact that 1770 01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:22,319 the UFO story is the one thing that is 1771 01:05:27,230 --> 01:05:25,079 getting bipartisan support right and 1772 01:05:30,349 --> 01:05:27,240 partisan legislature is being you know 1773 01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:30,359 legislation is being written uh and that 1774 01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:33,000 there's no other example of of uh 1775 01:05:35,569 --> 01:05:34,559 Republicans and Democrats working 1776 01:05:39,370 --> 01:05:35,579 together 1777 01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:39,380 unanimously 1778 01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:41,760 on UFOs 1779 01:05:47,569 --> 01:05:45,359 so that's that may be some sign I mean I 1780 01:05:50,089 --> 01:05:47,579 know I I know I talked to Leslie Kane 1781 01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:50,099 stays very optimistic about it and more 1782 01:05:55,370 --> 01:05:52,319 optimistic than I am 1783 01:05:57,049 --> 01:05:55,380 um she's a sweetheart yeah yeah but she 1784 01:05:59,329 --> 01:05:57,059 still stays optimistic that things are 1785 01:06:01,309 --> 01:05:59,339 going to come out and that that the 1786 01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:01,319 government is going to do something 1787 01:06:06,470 --> 01:06:03,780 so I think you know I'm hoping she's 1788 01:06:08,329 --> 01:06:06,480 right and I am encouraged by the fact 1789 01:06:10,010 --> 01:06:08,339 that you know 1790 01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:10,020 yeah the people you get like Tim 1791 01:06:15,069 --> 01:06:12,960 birchett and and and and and Jill brand 1792 01:06:18,049 --> 01:06:15,079 working together on something that's 1793 01:06:20,450 --> 01:06:18,059 impossible that that could happen but 1794 01:06:22,490 --> 01:06:20,460 it's happening you know yeah it's like 1795 01:06:24,890 --> 01:06:22,500 the only thing they agree in so far is 1796 01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:24,900 to go full subject right yes yeah yeah 1797 01:06:29,210 --> 01:06:27,599 that's kind of cool baby steps again we 1798 01:06:31,250 --> 01:06:29,220 get frustrated because we never get 1799 01:06:32,809 --> 01:06:31,260 anything out of these but there are some 1800 01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:32,819 people that are wiser and more 1801 01:06:36,529 --> 01:06:34,559 calm-headed than we are and they say 1802 01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:36,539 listen at least they're talking about it 1803 01:06:40,910 --> 01:06:38,160 okay it might seem like they're still 1804 01:06:42,829 --> 01:06:40,920 just brushing over it but it's a public 1805 01:06:45,470 --> 01:06:42,839 thing from the government talking about 1806 01:06:47,690 --> 01:06:45,480 even NASA we all know it's a joke that 1807 01:06:50,029 --> 01:06:47,700 the committee I mean one astronaut even 1808 01:06:51,950 --> 01:06:50,039 said oh wait I did see something once 1809 01:06:53,930 --> 01:06:51,960 and he goes it was a Bart Simpson mylar 1810 01:06:56,990 --> 01:06:53,940 balloon so there's still you know an 1811 01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:57,000 effort to poke in the eye but you know 1812 01:06:59,630 --> 01:06:58,559 we have some people like I said that are 1813 01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:59,640 more wise than us and they're going 1814 01:07:03,890 --> 01:07:01,740 listen this is all part of it don't 1815 01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:03,900 don't worry right there now there's 1816 01:07:07,789 --> 01:07:05,520 gonna be some accountability because 1817 01:07:10,250 --> 01:07:07,799 it's NASA you're not going to be able to 1818 01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:10,260 say we don't no right unless you want to 1819 01:07:14,930 --> 01:07:12,420 make yourself look totally useless and 1820 01:07:16,549 --> 01:07:14,940 obsolete yeah well I think Jeremy 1821 01:07:18,770 --> 01:07:16,559 Corbell and she said one thing I thought 1822 01:07:21,230 --> 01:07:18,780 was true like being you know being 1823 01:07:23,870 --> 01:07:21,240 trying to take the positive note out of 1824 01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:23,880 out of that hearing was at least they're 1825 01:07:28,910 --> 01:07:26,940 pushing for the destigmatization of the 1826 01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:28,920 subject yeah and they're they're saying 1827 01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:30,720 that we need to get rid of the stigma in 1828 01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,760 order to improve the reporting and 1829 01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:35,280 improve the observations and get better 1830 01:07:40,010 --> 01:07:37,260 data so we need to get rid of the stigma 1831 01:07:40,849 --> 01:07:40,020 so if if nothing else if they if they at 1832 01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:40,859 least 1833 01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:43,920 you know making Bart Simpson balloon 1834 01:07:48,049 --> 01:07:46,440 jokes doesn't help get rid of that 1835 01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,059 stigma 1836 01:07:52,029 --> 01:07:50,400 um or just get rid of that guy we can 1837 01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:52,039 get rid of him 1838 01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:54,539 they truly do help diminish the stigma 1839 01:08:01,309 --> 01:07:57,720 of talking about and Reporting you know 1840 01:08:03,650 --> 01:08:01,319 then uh that'll be a good thing even if 1841 01:08:05,809 --> 01:08:03,660 we don't get the disclosure we want 1842 01:08:07,730 --> 01:08:05,819 well we made progress quite a bit over 1843 01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:07,740 the last five years I ever since the 1844 01:08:12,289 --> 01:08:10,260 article I mean you mentioned that and to 1845 01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:12,299 me it got me off the couch and saying I 1846 01:08:16,189 --> 01:08:13,980 need to get involved I don't know how 1847 01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:16,199 you know so I got involved with with 1848 01:08:20,749 --> 01:08:18,600 mufons or investigating led to the 1849 01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:20,759 podcast and get to talk to people like 1850 01:08:24,289 --> 01:08:22,980 yourself now it's crazy but there's 1851 01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:24,299 momentum there's people actually 1852 01:08:28,189 --> 01:08:25,620 standing up and saying I need to 1853 01:08:29,689 --> 01:08:28,199 contribute in some way and uh just 1854 01:08:32,749 --> 01:08:29,699 before we let you go here I'm just 1855 01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:32,759 curious uh my top two focus of studies 1856 01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:34,140 the abduction phenomenon Academy 1857 01:08:40,610 --> 01:08:37,140 mutilation what would be your top two 1858 01:08:41,930 --> 01:08:40,620 of top two Focus uh oh oh folks I'm 1859 01:08:44,570 --> 01:08:41,940 saying 1860 01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:44,580 um I guess I guess it would be a 1861 01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,060 recovered craft yeah be the the top one 1862 01:08:50,930 --> 01:08:49,920 and 1863 01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:50,940 um 1864 01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:53,100 and then what would be the other 1865 01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:54,239 um 1866 01:08:58,370 --> 01:08:57,239 I think I guess probably if I really 1867 01:09:01,490 --> 01:08:58,380 think about probably the abduction 1868 01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:01,500 phenomena nice choice although I you 1869 01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:03,660 know I said it's hard I I haven't 1870 01:09:09,709 --> 01:09:06,900 focused on it as much as I should really 1871 01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:09,719 but uh it certainly seems to be 1872 01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:11,880 you know the weirdest aspect of it and 1873 01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,560 the most personal aspect of it 1874 01:09:18,169 --> 01:09:15,660 absolutely yeah 1875 01:09:20,269 --> 01:09:18,179 and uh just before we let you go Dave I 1876 01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:20,279 know you're working on a podcast uh you 1877 01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:21,540 got something going you want to just 1878 01:09:24,709 --> 01:09:22,980 explain a little bit when that comes out 1879 01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,719 what what you're uh what you're planning 1880 01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:26,640 to do with it well we've we've done 1881 01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:29,100 about we've we've done six episodes sort 1882 01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:32,279 of to testing it out and we're um so 1883 01:09:37,849 --> 01:09:34,440 we're cutting those all together now and 1884 01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:37,859 gonna try and find the right spot for it 1885 01:09:42,590 --> 01:09:40,140 um hopefully hopefully in the next month 1886 01:09:45,470 --> 01:09:42,600 or so we'll start getting these up up 1887 01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,480 and uh running somewhere but it's gonna 1888 01:09:49,789 --> 01:09:47,520 be a podcast called um 1889 01:09:51,650 --> 01:09:49,799 a really 1890 01:09:53,209 --> 01:09:51,660 um hosted by myself and my friend Tom 1891 01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:53,219 wheeler who's a screenwriter and 1892 01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:56,460 novelist uh and showrunner 1893 01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:58,080 um and basically we're we're trying to 1894 01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,100 be uh 1895 01:10:03,169 --> 01:10:01,679 as I've described it as the UFO podcast 1896 01:10:06,350 --> 01:10:03,179 for people that aren't already hosting 1897 01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:06,360 their own UFO podcast nice nice 1898 01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:07,860 so we're trying to make it General 1899 01:10:12,169 --> 01:10:10,920 enough as a as an as an on-ramp for 1900 01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,179 people who are maybe just getting 1901 01:10:16,490 --> 01:10:13,920 curious about it 1902 01:10:19,310 --> 01:10:16,500 you know and we we said we we punctuate 1903 01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:19,320 really with uh question mark exclamation 1904 01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:21,900 mark period uh because I think that's 1905 01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:23,460 the the transition you go through once 1906 01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,780 you you get a little bit curious about 1907 01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,360 the subject either then startled by what 1908 01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:29,040 you find out and eventually you sort of 1909 01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:31,679 settle into going all right this is real 1910 01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:34,980 acceptance yeah acceptance that there 1911 01:10:40,430 --> 01:10:38,280 that there there is a UFO reality uh 1912 01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:40,440 what it is I don't think anyone knows 1913 01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:45,060 but there is one yeah well said so we're 1914 01:10:48,169 --> 01:10:46,320 just yeah we're just gonna try and 1915 01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:48,179 basically just be 1916 01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:51,840 uh a very an approachable on-ramp for 1917 01:10:54,830 --> 01:10:53,580 people who are just getting curious 1918 01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,840 about the subject 1919 01:10:58,610 --> 01:10:56,640 yeah which is great we need that 1920 01:10:59,870 --> 01:10:58,620 somebody commented on Twitter this 1921 01:11:02,149 --> 01:10:59,880 morning like 1922 01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,159 why is the bulk of the population not 1923 01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:04,320 interested in this subject and I just 1924 01:11:07,850 --> 01:11:06,480 commented below that we need to be the 1925 01:11:09,890 --> 01:11:07,860 ones that start educating these people 1926 01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:09,900 at least catch them up to speed with 1927 01:11:13,970 --> 01:11:11,820 what's going on they're not ever going 1928 01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,980 to accept it until we start having these 1929 01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,320 conversations you know it doesn't matter 1930 01:11:22,189 --> 01:11:19,440 who you are on this planet this affects 1931 01:11:23,689 --> 01:11:22,199 everybody so yeah when the more people 1932 01:11:26,570 --> 01:11:23,699 who are doing what you what you guys are 1933 01:11:28,910 --> 01:11:26,580 doing having the conversation and and 1934 01:11:31,729 --> 01:11:28,920 and and and being a place 1935 01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:31,739 where people can tell their stories you 1936 01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:34,800 know uh it's just in in you know 1937 01:11:39,890 --> 01:11:37,679 incremental change and um 1938 01:11:43,010 --> 01:11:39,900 uh and everyone contributing to the 1939 01:11:45,470 --> 01:11:43,020 conversation uh is gonna is going to eat 1940 01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:45,480 away at the sort of the this giant block 1941 01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,900 of uh of fiscation oh boy is it ever a 1942 01:11:52,430 --> 01:11:50,640 big block Louie do you have any final 1943 01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:52,440 questions for Dave today no just a big 1944 01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,880 thanks Dave we appreciate your time we 1945 01:11:57,169 --> 01:11:55,199 know you're a busy guy and you got lots 1946 01:11:58,910 --> 01:11:57,179 of stuff on the go uh but thank you for 1947 01:12:00,470 --> 01:11:58,920 making time for us 1948 01:12:03,050 --> 01:12:00,480 um and we really like your way of 1949 01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:03,060 thinking about things your humility you 1950 01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:04,800 are uh you're very Canadian and we love 1951 01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:07,980 that absolutely I can't seem to get rid 1952 01:12:11,689 --> 01:12:10,440 of it yeah no people tell us they say we 1953 01:12:13,790 --> 01:12:11,699 don't know what it is about you guys you 1954 01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,800 just have a certain certain niceness 1955 01:12:17,630 --> 01:12:15,360 it's called being Canadian you know 1956 01:12:19,430 --> 01:12:17,640 we're compassionate we hear people out 1957 01:12:22,669 --> 01:12:19,440 we're not here trying to put people down 1958 01:12:24,649 --> 01:12:22,679 and um I think the UFO Community as a 1959 01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,659 whole can learn a lot from that if you 1960 01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:27,120 go on uh UFO Twitter it's not so pretty 1961 01:12:31,490 --> 01:12:29,460 sometimes but I don't know I think if we 1962 01:12:33,590 --> 01:12:31,500 all just show a little compassion even 1963 01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,600 if somebody is completely out there and 1964 01:12:37,610 --> 01:12:35,760 against what you believe just leave me 1965 01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:37,620 don't go out of your way to troll people 1966 01:12:41,810 --> 01:12:40,020 people and write negative comments on 1967 01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:41,820 people's shows and everything else like 1968 01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:43,500 if I find something I don't like I just 1969 01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,060 keep go keep going it's not even worth 1970 01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:47,280 my time so don't be one of those people 1971 01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:48,000 to 1972 01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:52,020 yourself you know that's that's our 1973 01:12:56,090 --> 01:12:54,239 advice to the to the world but uh thank 1974 01:12:57,290 --> 01:12:56,100 you for your time and uh we'll turn it 1975 01:12:58,910 --> 01:12:57,300 over to our viewers what did you guys 1976 01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,920 think of today's show let us know in the 1977 01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:00,719 comment section uh if you liked it 1978 01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:02,640 please give us a like and if you haven't 1979 01:13:06,890 --> 01:13:04,500 yet subscribe please do so we're on 1980 01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:06,900 every platform YouTube Apple Spotify 1981 01:13:10,850 --> 01:13:09,840 we're on the unnext network 1982 01:13:13,370 --> 01:13:10,860 um and anywhere you get your favorite 1983 01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:13,380 podcast so with that we want to say 1984 01:13:17,209 --> 01:13:14,820 again thanks Dave we'd love to have you 1985 01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:17,219 back in the future and uh if you ever 1986 01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:18,780 want to get a couple Canadian dudes on 1987 01:13:22,850 --> 01:13:20,640 your show you let us know we'll uh I 1988 01:13:24,410 --> 01:13:22,860 will we'll be there all right that'll be 1989 01:13:25,850 --> 01:13:24,420 great and thanks thanks for having me on 1990 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:25,860 and thanks for thanks for doing your 1991 01:13:33,970 --> 01:13:41,530 [Music]